Josh Bruce 2019

[ratsmac]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

It's not often these type of trades don't get done where a player nominates the club. Kelly last year was a different situation. We just need to hold our nerve and not offer up pick 13. Like others have said 32 is about right. If we can trade 32 and something down into the 20's its a win for the Saints and we'll be doing them a favour, but IMO I don't think we'll have to. They are the ones who are desperate for picks to get all their deals done in time so its just a waiting game from our end. They'll blink first, they have to.

[Bornadog]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

It's not often these type of trades don't get done where a player nominates the club. Kelly last year was a different situation. We just need to hold our nerve and not offer up pick 13. Like others have said 32 is about right. If we can trade 32 and something down into the 20's its a win for the Saints and we'll be doing them a favour, but IMO I don't think we'll have to. They are the ones who are desperate for picks to get all their deals done in time so its just a waiting game from our end. They'll blink first, they have to.

They are sure chasing a few, now they want Butler

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

They are sure chasing a few, now they want Butler

I wonder if that means Sam Gray has knocked them back. Carlton said Gray isn't a thing for them either. Staying at Port doesn't look viable either. Integrating to see where he ends up.

[mjp]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

I like hearing Saints supporters calling in about it being pick 13 or nothing with a trade for Bruce and that they should play hard ball
It's all strong stuff and good luck to them

These are the interesting points to me:

1) The Saints have confirmed ...

What about:

- The Saints don't need to confirm that they already have Membrey and King. And have committed to Ryder in order to play a 2-headed ruck-forward 'thing' using him and Marshall.

(In other words they have no room for Bruce).

- The Saints will still need to PAY for Bruce who has no role in their team. And he is on a not insignificant (although admittedly, short term) contract.

(Pretty sure the idea of paying someone $600k to play full forward in the VFL represents a very (very) poor ROI).

St Kilda need Bruce gone. Everyone knows this. Trades like this are exhausting as the Saints want 'fair value' for a player who they 'are happy to keep'. Except they aren't prepared to keep him. At the same time, I think even the most ardent Dogs fan would acknowledge that pick 32 isn't QUITE enough...

[macca]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

What about:

- The Saints don't need to confirm that they already have Membrey and King. And have committed to Ryder in order to play a 2-headed ruck-forward 'thing' using him and Marshall.

(In other words they have no room for Bruce).

- The Saints will still need to PAY for Bruce who has no role in their team. And he is on a not insignificant (although admittedly, short term) contract.

(Pretty sure the idea of paying someone $600k to play full forward in the VFL represents a very (very) poor ROI).

St Kilda need Bruce gone. Everyone knows this. Trades like this are exhausting as the Saints want 'fair value' for a player who they 'are happy to keep'. Except they aren't prepared to keep him. At the same time, I think even the most ardent Dogs fan would acknowledge that pick 32 isn't QUITE enough...

The Carlisle salary must be really hurting them . Its a good thing
Very few picks , losing a decent player and having an ageing player in Carlisle on their list and Cartain ( who may or may it get into the park due to his injuries, no disrespect ). The hanneberry trade hasn’t helped

We should play hard ball

[GVGjr]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

What about:

- The Saints don't need to confirm that they already have Membrey and King. And have committed to Ryder in order to play a 2-headed ruck-forward 'thing' using him and Marshall.

(In other words they have no room for Bruce).

- The Saints will still need to PAY for Bruce who has no role in their team. And he is on a not insignificant (although admittedly, short term) contract.

(Pretty sure the idea of paying someone $600k to play full forward in the VFL represents a very (very) poor ROI).

St Kilda need Bruce gone. Everyone knows this. Trades like this are exhausting as the Saints want 'fair value' for a player who they 'are happy to keep'. Except they aren't prepared to keep him. At the same time, I think even the most ardent Dogs fan would acknowledge that pick 32 isn't QUITE enough...

I'm pretty confident the deal will get done in some form but it does get a touch annoying to hear clubs say they haven't heard from the player of his intention to leave when lets face it they know exactly what is going on
On top of what you say they have also flagged their intention to chase the contracted Ben King this year and next if needed

Yes they need him gone, and yes it most likely gets done and I agree pick #32 is just a bit light on. Its not a perfect science though
If we had pick #27 there wouldn't be a lot for them to have a whinge about

Im a bit more concerned about Keaths delayed start to be honest and how we value a trade for him. We are wearing just a bit if risk there

[Topdog]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

I absolutely love BTs idea of the 32 for 26 swap with Freo. 26 would get the Bruce deal done very quickly in my opinion.

[Mofra]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

Our pick 32 and pick 45 (post Tomlinson compo) is roughly pick 19-20 points equivalent. That may be more attractive to the Saints than a straight pick 26 as it gives them flexibility for Zac Jones and Paddy Ryder.

[1eyedog]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

A 10 day trade period is just ridiculous. Should be cut to 5 working days.

[The Doctor]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

pick 32 for Bruce and thats it in my view.

Only way we should add a 3rd round pick is so long as it doesn't interfere with Keath deal and we get a 2020 3rd round back

What are Saints going to do? Walk away?

[1eyedog]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

If Crameri was worth pick 26 as a 27 year old Bruce certainly is as well.

[Happy Days]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

If Crameri was worth pick 26 as a 27 year old Bruce certainly is as well.

He wasn't.

Although I guess I shouldn't be so harsh on the deal considering we haven't got to cash in on all that equity we won by being fair.

[Sedat]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

He wasn't.

Although I guess I shouldn't be so harsh on the deal considering we haven't got to cash in on all that equity we won by being fair.

He was 3-time keading goalkicker at Essendon before joining the Dogs, so the Bruce comparison is not that far off the mark.

[jeemak]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

He wasn't.

Although I guess I shouldn't be so harsh on the deal considering we haven't got to cash in on all that equity we won by being fair.

I thought we held out with Esserden demanding more:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-relent-as-stewart-crameri-is-finally-traded-to-the-western-bulldogs-20131024-2w3ol.html

[Happy Days]

Re: Josh Bruce 2019

I thought we held out with Esserden demanding more:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...024-2w3ol.html

Essendon as a club are so drenched in tox-masc bro culture that they always simultaneously have to look like the bigger person and hard done by. Their fixation with perception and winning the battle of public opinion is why they can never get anywhere, and any communication that comes out of them can't be taken seriously.

We could've gotten him for nothing via the PSD (not that anyone does that anymore) and the want for him was largely driven by McCartney as I remember it; there was the looming ASADA cloud coupled with the fact of Crameri not being altogether that good, but we decided to play nice for reasons I still can't figure out.

If Bruce is worth the same as Crameri then he's *worth* the same, not whatever inflated price we paid. I think he's worth more and still would only pay ~32 for him.