Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

[Twodogs]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

I understand all of that TD, but the actual risks are small and the same folks would be able to go to their local shopping centre and do a lot worse every day.

That's the silly thing about this whole situation.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there seems to be a lot of contradictions out there and most of them are in some way aligned to overall risk. With that in mind and in the context of the AFL, I think injecting players without keeping records or really knowing what you're injecting into them in the first place is worse.

That's one I can't understand either. But that doesn't make what the Crow's players did right. They knew the rules and flouted them.

And players take stuff they have no idea about the effects of all the time. You know how it is. The coach/doctor tells a player take/do/say something and 99% of them will without question because they don't want to be the odd man out or looked at as trouble maker. There will come a time at some stage in the future when your spot on the list or in the team will come down to how 'co-operative" or "pliable"they were in the past.

[soupman]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Geez fine the players individually and be done with it. Draft pick penalties and docking points is incredibly harsh and sets an ugly precedent for middle ground offences.

[GVGjr]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

The options to me are:
Suspend the players and the coach concerned for one or two weeks
Fine the players and coach for not understanding the social distancing rules that everyone else knows
Fine the club, basically a token gesture
Dock premiership points, harsh but sends a strong message to all clubs
Remove draft picks, well overs for mine
A combination of a couple of the above options

Does docking them points simply hand them a better draft pick?

[Bornadog]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Geez fine the players individually and be done with it. Draft pick penalties and docking points is incredibly harsh and sets an ugly precedent for middle ground offences.

The trouble is, the AFL, came out days before spouting how tough they will be clubs/players breaking the rules.

[Axe Man]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the only rules the Crows have breached the AFL training protocols? They trained in groups of 8 which is allowed under South Australian social distancing regulations. So I'm not sure why we are discussing Covid-19 risk, etc? Their only crime as far as I understand it is trying to gain an unfair competitive advantage. If 3 of our players were busted training together in a park in Adelaide would you be happy for us to lose draft picks and premiership points?

They will get heavily fined and rightfully so, but the hyperbole in this thread baffles me.

[GVGjr]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the only rules the Crows have breached the AFL training protocols? They trained in groups of 8 which is allowed under South Australian social distancing regulations. So I'm not sure why we are discussing Covid-19 risk, etc? Their only crime as far as I understand it is trying to gain an unfair competitive advantage. If 3 of our players were busted training together in a park in Adelaide would you be happy for us to lose draft picks and premiership points?

They will get heavily fined and rightfully so, but the hyperbole in this thread baffles me.

I favor fining or suspending the players and coach.

If 3 of our players did the same I'd still be happy with the approach above

[Bornadog]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Penalties

Barrett Reporting

Crows assistant coach Ben Hart stood down for six weeks over training breach. The 16 players escape serious sanction, all receiving a one match suspended sanction. More to come on

Ben Hart isn't able to have access to players or be at the club facility until June 22 as well as his six-week stand down from coaching

EDIT Full statement here

[GVGjr]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Penalties

Barrett Reporting


Ben Hart isn't able to have access to players or be at the club facility until June 22 as well as his six-week stand down from coaching

EDIT Full statement here

Hart should have stopped it straight away, a strong penalty on him but I feel it's a weak one for the players concerned
They all should have known better

All that leadership training amounts to bugger all when they are in a group

[Bornadog]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Hart should have stopped it straight away, a strong penalty on him but I feel it's a weak one for the players concerned
They all should have known better

All that leadership training amounts to bugger all when they are in a group

Yes the players would have known. Someone should have stood up

[GVGjr]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Yes the players would have known. Someone should have stood up

Doedee is in the leadership group and should be stood down for a week or two. If a coach and a player that has been voted into the leadership group can't make the correct call, it's not a great advertisement for the effectiveness of leadership training

We should get into the ear of McAsey

[Remi Moses]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Got smacked with a wet lettuce
How does that Vic bias go again ?

[GVGjr]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

A somewhat weak response from the AFL. I know it's easy to say but it should have been a bit tougher

[Twodogs]

Re: Off course: AFL return plan rocked by Crows' Barossa training session

Was that a a cigarette in Ben Hart's mouth on the footage on the news last night?