Is the AFL becoming a private school comp? And does it matter?

[Dry Rot]

Re: Is the AFL becoming a private school comp? And does it matter?

You probably have to go back to Jeff Thompson and Lenny Pascoe to find state school cricketers at the highest level.

Or even Sydney grade cricket.

What happened when you played against Thommo and Pascoe for Bankstown?

Jeff Thomson relives the day he terrorised Mosman in grade game

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/cricket/news/jeff-thomson-relives-the-day-he-terrorised-mosman-in-grade-game/9zmnmqdmso201bf90j387r886

[jeemak]

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Melbourne public school hits draft home run


The college in Melbourne's south-east that's proving you don't have to be at a private school to get drafted

full story in link

Generally speaking I think there needs to be more space for public schools that offer creative, sporting and craft types (to name but a few different types of kids, but you get my drift) things geared towards their interests rather than the low variation and almost cookie cutter education in the public school system. The way things are currently done too many kids fall through the cracks and are at the mercy of the economy of the day (or five year cycle) to determine whether they have any prospects or otherwise should they choose to leave school early. And I'm not saying it should be a free for all do whatever approach at these specialised public schools, more so, just something to keep kids in the system longer so they can mature and experience what they want to experience and don't go into an unstructured abyss.

I guess this is what technical colleges of the day used to attempt to do, though a lot about learning and cognitive development has been discovered since they were phased out. It seems pretty silly that we try and address the consequences of cookie cutter education downstream when a few tweaks upstream whilst requiring investment would change the future for a lot of kids (and the public purse) for the better.

Anyway, enough from me on how the education system should work. I guess the point of what's happening in Rowville is great for getting kids drafted, but it's pretty much just a reflection of what kids in private schools get plus a little more, so nothing revolutionary/ game changing.

But thanks for posting BAD, and getting me out of the thoughtless posting cycle I've been stuck in for a few weeks (some may say longer) since I purchased a puppy and have been getting smashed at work.

[Axe Man]

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What will this mean for the AFL talent pathway?

Major shift as APS faces biggest shake-up in the 116-year history of the sporting program

Victoria?s most elite schools are facing backlash over what?s been described as ?the dumbing down of APS sport? amid a landmark review.

Victoria?s most elite schools are moving away from year-round competitive sports like football and rowing in favour of walking, yoga and pilates amid a landmark review, the Herald Sun can reveal.

One school source called it ?the dumbing down of APS sport due to a growing aversion to competition in private school ATAR factories?.

A review into the future of the Associated Public Schools (APS) sporting program is underway ? the biggest shake-up in the 116-year history of the sporting program.

The Herald Sun can reveal APS schools will continue compulsory Saturday morning sport for senior school students, but with a renewed focus on less competitive, contact team sports.

A growing number of enrolments from Asian and Indian families is understood to be a factor in the move.

?Schools now have parents who are less into outdoor sports compared to basketball and badminton which requires less commitment and is played indoors? the source from an APS school said.

The review is also expected to lead to students only doing one compulsory sport a year, not two or three at schools such as Melbourne Grammar, Scotch College, Haileybury College, Xavier College and Caulfield Grammar.

Changes to the sporting program at 11 of Victoria?s most prestigious schools will have major ramifications for the AFL draft, which heavily relies on top talent from APS schools.

It?s understood that Haileybury College is steering the direction of the outcome of the review.

The school has moved to a ?sports-plus model which focuses on recreational sports such as karate, walking and pilates?, one Haileybury insider said.

Carey Grammar has already gone down a similar path of offering fitness clubs and yoga and Caulfield Grammar no longer requires senior students to year-round sports.

The Haileybury source said staff at such schools were ?less and less interested in Saturday sport and more in maintaining academic results?.

Many private schools are already moving away from requiring teachers to hold extensive sporting roles, with recent alumni paid $36 an hour or more to coach and supervise players.

Institutions such as the Head of the River rowing regatta, which has been going for more than 150 years could also be affected by the new direction, as schools continue to rationalise their competitive sporting programs into the future.

Schools with large rowing programs such as Carey Grammar spend more than one million dollars a year.

Melbourne Grammar principal Philip Grutzner told the Herald Sun the logistics of ?providing a meaningful sporting experience for approximately 24,600 students on a weekly basis across three seasons are significant?.

?We see the main challenges as continuing to respond to the enrolment growth in some APS schools, maintaining access to high quality coaches, grounds and facilities, and transport logistics and time?.

He said students had given ?largely positive student feedback? and ?love playing sport with their friends?.

One alumni representative from an APS school said former students ?want the prestige and heritage of sport to continue?.

?But people understand the huge logistic challenges, so some schools may still keep first football but not ten teams at year eight,? they said.

The source said any move to amalgamate with the Associated Grammar Schools of Victoria competition, which includes Trinity Grammar, Penleigh and Essendon Grammar and Ivanhoe Grammar, would be resisted as ?infiltration by the second tier?.

No timeline has been set for the review, which is being informed by external sporting consultants Colganbauer, to be completed.

[FrediKanoute]

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The school has moved to a ?sports-plus model which focuses on recreational sports such as karate, walking and pilates?, one Haileybury insider said

As someone who took up Pilates in my 40's I wouldn't call it a sport. I'll call it a strength training activity (same with walking). Sport requires competition.

My son is about to go to a Grammer School in the UK (which are Govt funded selective schools - you pass an entrance exam to get in) which is dominated by kids from an Asian/Indian background. Whilst academics at the school is important they all boys are required to play rugby in the autumn, football (soccer) in the Winter and cricket in the Summer. Most boys have never picked up a rugby ball in their life - still they are expected to play - why? It teaches them to get out of their comfortzone!

[jeemak]

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What happened to Melbourne High a couple of decades ago is now happening to the private schools. Such is the way of the world I guess.

There's also an element of what you pay for or how far your dollar goes at play. Just like any service, private schools will opt for the lowest cost model to optimise profits for as long as mugs are prepared to pay and not demand more. Strong academic results are a must, extra-curricular activities are a sundry requirement and families will still pay whatever they need to in order to buy the former.

[Happy Days]

Re: Is the AFL becoming a private school comp? And does it matter?

What happened to Melbourne High a couple of decades ago is now happening to the private schools. Such is the way of the world I guess.

There's also an element of what you pay for or how far your dollar goes at play. Just like any service, private schools will opt for the lowest cost model to optimise profits for as long as mugs are prepared to pay and not demand more. Strong academic results are a must, extra-curricular activities are a sundry requirement and families will still pay whatever they need to in order to buy the former.

Not kidding about Melbourne High. I know more about water polo than any person should ever have to know.

[jeemak]

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Not kidding about Melbourne High. I know more about water polo than any person should ever have to know.

Some strange folks in the water polo set.

I used to hit that pool after two hours sleep on a Sunday morning for recovery.

[Axe Man]

Re: Is the AFL becoming a private school comp? And does it matter?

What happened to Melbourne High a couple of decades ago is now happening to the private schools. Such is the way of the world I guess.

There's also an element of what you pay for or how far your dollar goes at play. Just like any service, private schools will opt for the lowest cost model to optimise profits for as long as mugs are prepared to pay and not demand more. Strong academic results are a must, extra-curricular activities are a sundry requirement and families will still pay whatever they need to in order to buy the former.

I know next to nothing about the private school system but surely they are all not for profit? I assume any surpluses they generate are reinvested into facilities, etc?

[Bornadog]

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I know next to nothing about the private school system but surely they are all not for profit? I assume any surpluses they generate are reinvested into facilities, etc?

Correct

[jeemak]

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Poorly worded on my part.

[mjp]

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I know next to nothing about the private school system but surely they are all not for profit? I assume any surpluses they generate are reinvested into facilities, etc?

Right. Of course...

[hujsh]

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As someone who took up Pilates in my 40's I wouldn't call it a sport. I'll call it a strength training activity (same with walking). Sport requires competition.

My son is about to go to a Grammer School in the UK (which are Govt funded selective schools - you pass an entrance exam to get in) which is dominated by kids from an Asian/Indian background. Whilst academics at the school is important they all boys are required to play rugby in the autumn, football (soccer) in the Winter and cricket in the Summer. Most boys have never picked up a rugby ball in their life - still they are expected to play - why? It teaches them to get out of their comfortzone!

Don't buy that. It's to get them to do 'English' stuff/ 'what we've always done'. I'd be truly shocked if they ever get the English kids to do Asian/Indian stuff for a quarter of the year in order to get them out of their comfortzone.

[jeemak]

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Don't buy that. It's to get them to do 'English' stuff/ 'what we've always done'. I'd be truly shocked if they ever get the English kids to do Asian/Indian stuff for a quarter of the year in order to get them out of their comfortzone.

I reckon they'd do a fair bit of mathematics and computing, that stuff's pretty difficult.*


*Yeah I know......dangerous stereotypes and all that.

[Axe Man]

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Right. Of course...

I clearly said I've got no idea how the private school system works, I was looking for insight with the original article I shared and my follow up question. If you have anything worthwhile to share if would be appreciated.

[hujsh]

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I reckon they'd do a fair bit of mathematics and computing, that stuff's pretty difficult.*


*Yeah I know......dangerous stereotypes and all that.

haha, I'd love if they tried to play that off as equivalent.

'An Englishman takes to Rugby like a Pakistani takes to doing my IT work'