2023 AFL Finals Series

[Topdog]

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In recent times we’ve been pretty poor in pressure games. I’d dare to call us soft at present. Without Libba and Bont busting their guts out we’d be a bottom 4 side. We lost to Port twice this year in close games. Both sides might have mental demons in high pressure games.

We absolutely have some mental demons to deal with at the moment too but no finals wins in pretty much a decade is very very poor. I know Essendon fans could only wish to have such a poor recent record but Port should be embarrassed by it.

[1eyedog]

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The plastics moniker was fully deserved in their first few years, but the uncomfortable truth is that they are acting and behaving more like a real club than ours at the moment. They are the most "anyone anywhere anytime" club going around - zero excuses for anything and totally focused only on what they can control.

What an amazing impact Kingsley has had in less than 12 months. I would not begrudge them a premiership this year at all, especially if it means they knock the entitled and pre-ordained filth out next week.

They are us 2016 at the moment no doubt.

[1eyedog]

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I do feel sorry for Hinkely. His team just cannot go deep in the finals.
2018 was the year they should have won it , but choked against the WC
They going to have some pain when Dixon retires. Maybe in 50 games Sweet may take his place, you never know ....

Dixon has already retired he just still running around. The bloke is legit broken.

[jeemak]

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I actually think it was that prelim loss and their rivalry with us which 'made' then a footy club.

I still can't be happy for them while Greene is there, but he is the black mark on what is otherwise a fairly impressive organisation. (Especially when compared to gold coast)

Yep, outside of Toby Greene and his BS my view on the Giants is that they can't hurt us anymore after 2016 and that losing a prelim and a grand final is an apprenticeship they needed to go through to be a "real" footy club.

[Boots]

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Interesting that there are two teams from the bottom half of the 8 in the prelims - Carlton (5) and Giants (7). 3 and 4 have both been booted. That's not normal, is it? Probably a sign of a good even comp.

[Grantysghost]

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Yep, outside of Toby Greene and his BS my view on the Giants is that they can't hurt us anymore after 2016 and that losing a prelim and a grand final is an apprenticeship they needed to go through to be a "real" footy club.

Was thinking about how well they've done compared to my initial time supporting the Dogs from 1980-1991 (GWS been in for 12 seasons).

Think we were in 3 finals won 1 (85) one prelim loss.

Giants have already had 15 finals, won 9 lost 6 including a prelim.

They've been a very successful franchise.

[Grantysghost]

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Interesting that there are two teams from the bottom half of the 8 in the prelims - Carlton (5) and Giants (7). 3 and 4 have both been booted. That's not normal, is it? Probably a sign of a good even comp.

Very rare I'd say. Can't recall the last time that happened.

[Bornadog]

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Collingwood playing in their 11th Prelim since 2002, this is the sort of finals experience I want

[Axe Man]

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Very rare I'd say. Can't recall the last time that happened.

2014 I believe - Geelong (3rd) and Freo (4th) both went out in straight sets.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Collingwood playing in their 11th Prelim since 2002, this is the sort of finals experience I want

Pretty impressive.

Advantages to being the biggest club in the land though, pretty easy to attract players.

[mjp]

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Pretty impressive.

Advantages to being the biggest club in the land though, pretty easy to attract players.

Who have they attracted though?

Lipinski?

Hawthorn threw Mitchell out.

Howe I guess from Melbourne.

The big unit from Brisbane I guess?

Bobby Hill?

Gold Coast threw out Markov. Adelaide likewise Frampton. Darcy Cameron went undrafted for 4-years.

I'm just not sure the "makes it easy to attract players" narrative is accurate here. I mean - it should in theory be easy for them to attract players but aside from Treloar - who they then discarded - which recruiting battle have they even 'won'?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Who have they attracted though?

Lipinski?

Hawthorn threw Mitchell out.

Howe I guess from Melbourne.

The big unit from Brisbane I guess?

Bobby Hill?

Gold Coast threw out Markov. Adelaide likewise Frampton. Darcy Cameron went undrafted for 4-years.

I'm just not sure the "makes it easy to attract players" narrative is accurate here. I mean - it should in theory be easy for them to attract players but aside from Treloar - who they then discarded - which recruiting battle have they even 'won'?

Hill, Adams, Howe, Cameron, Hoskin-Elliott, Mitchell have all been pretty effective. Lipinski and McStay have played most games when fit.

Without delving into yesteryear they've always seemingly recruited well (Treloar, Jolly, Ball etc) to help them remain competitive at worst and contend at best.

It's not a knock on them though, they're a great club. They develop players well (how much better has Frampton been!? He was unplayable previously).

[macca]

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Collingwood have also good success rate with their rookies and SPP:
Noble, markov, Johnson ,Cox
Ginnivan 2020 rookie draft
Tbd
Aiden begg, Josh carmichael , Tom Wilson


On the outer players like : Frampton, hell even Roughed, Lipinski

They tend to delist players sooner i.e Poulter
So their finals participation record is incredible.

[Bornadog]

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Pretty impressive.

Advantages to being the biggest club in the land though, pretty easy to attract players.

Geelong have played in 13

[macca]

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Good article on the recruitment and rehab on Jesse Hogan https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...19-p5e5wg.html

I am glad his having success away from Melbourne.

He was on his last chance at GWS and managed to turn it around with the right support , persistence and patience.