2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: 2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

Our list management strategy has been poor since Dalrymple left and it's no coincidence that since his departure, we've barely had a hit from the rookie draft.

At what point do we change strategy? Using it as a means for depth hasn't worked when, clearly, depth is a major issue at our club.

[macca]

Re: 2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

Some stats for last 2 years rookie , games played below

Statistically, its quite hard to get more than 10 games from any player in the list !
Matt Cottrell , Seasmus Mitchell , McVee and Casboult would have been my picks!
Ryan Lester got into a GF , maybe add Markov as well.


2022 > 10 games played
Seasmus Mitchell ( Hawks) 14
Ed Curnow 17
Ryan Lester 19 ( in a GF!)
Tylar Young ( richmond) 19
Daniel Howe (North) 11
Kayne Turner (north) 12

2021

Levi Casboult Gold Coast 41
Matt Cottrell Carlton 35
Lochie O'Brien Carlton 25
Judd McVee Melbourne 25
Robbie McComb Western Bulldogs 18
Jacob Wehr GWS 14
Cooper Hamilton GWS 8
Trent Dumont Port Adelaide 8
Ollie Dempsey Geelong 7
Ben Davis Adelaide 5
Ned Long Hawthorn 5
Karl Worner Fremantle 4
Sam Mayes Port Adelaide 3
Jared Polec North Melbourne 2
Isaac Chugg Collingwood 2
Mitchell Crowden Fremantle 2
Bigoa Nyuon Richmond 1
Lewis Taylor Sydney 1

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2022&t=R&s=P

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2021&t=R&s=P

[macca]

Re: 2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

2020 rookie list games played
Have we done well with games played for McNeil , at pick 11?

Ginnivan was at pick 13, I wonder what we saw in either at the time ?

There are questions over Ginnivan's lifestyle ( he went to the races , day before the final) . He may be tradeable.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2020&t=R&s=P

2020
player club games
Bailey Banfield Fremantle 43
Lachlan McNeil Western Bulldogs 42
Jack Ginnivan Collingwood 42
Josh Treacy Fremantle 36
Roarke Smith Western Bulldogs 24
Grant Birchall Brisbane 23
Zachary Sproule GWS 16
Samuel Reid GWS 15
Luke Parks Carlton 8
Connor Menadue North Melbourne 7
Martin Gleeson Essendon 6
Zane Trew West Coast 6
Dylan Clarke Essendon 4
Jacob Townsend Gold Coast 2
Isaac Chugg Collingwood 2
Jack Saunders Hawthorn 1
Bryce Gibbs Adelaide 0
Patrick Walker North Melbourne 0
Malachy Carruthers Sydney 0
Tyson Goldsack Port Adelaide 0
Jack Hombsch Gold Coast 0
Daniel Venables West Coast 0
Jordan Murdoch Gold Coast 0
Taj Schofield F Port Adelaide 0
Aiden Fyfe A Gold Coast 0
Rhys Nicholls A Gold Coast 0

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: 2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

Too many of those rookie listed players from the last 3 years are recycled across all clubs.

The best efforts through those not recycled are

Ginnivan - premiership at Collingwood (2020)
Treacy - Fremantle
McVee - Melbourne
Cottrell - Carlton
Young - Richmond
Mitchell - Hawthorn

They seem the only ones looking at making it as regulars.

It is not a very good strike for anyone.

[hujsh]

Re: 2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

Too many of those rookie listed players from the last 3 years are recycled across all clubs.

The best efforts through those not recycled are

Ginnivan - premiership at Collingwood (2020)
Treacy - Fremantle
McVee - Melbourne
Cottrell - Carlton
Young - Richmond
Mitchell - Hawthorn

They seem the only ones looking at making it as regulars.

It is not a very good strike for anyone.

So maybe it's not just us? Maybe with the MSD and the covid years impacting development and the reduction in funding during covid and the dilution of talent across 18 teams it's just that much harder to find players that have managed to slip through the crack?

[mjp]

Re: 2023 -2024 Rookie List Strategy

Do the clubs actually know what they're looking for?

The rookie draft isn't going to work if you just pick the 'next best' midfielder who missed out on the main draft. You might get lucky and 'all they needed was a chance'...probs not. If you target a specialist who (or someone who you will TURN INTO A SPECIALIST in your program) then you have a chance.
Ginnivan - Specialist SMALL FORWARD
Treacy - Tall forward.
McVee - Running Defender/lock down.
Cottrell - Winger
Young - Small Forward.
Mitchell - Running Defender

I totally get the 'best available' stuff at the top of the draft. YES - get talented players on your list and they will (hopefully) be able to figure it out. But if you do the same with your rookies, where is this ending? The difference between the 'best' and the 'next' becomes less and less as you go through the draft. So pick someone who has a CLEARLY DEFINED ROLE and a CLEARLY DEFINED POSITION in your squad.

Ginnivan is a classic example of this.