It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

[EasternWest]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

Reading that made me want to throw up.

Nailed it, except on this forum the correct terminology is "Spew up".

C'mon BID you've been around long enough to know this .

[SonofScray]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

No.

That's all the question deserves.

[Jasper]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

I read the article and I cant see why it should or needs to be changed. Ive also read a lot of the discussions online.
He had a great year but I think I read that he never scored more than 20 brownlow votes other than that season. That says a bit from my perspective.

[Topdog]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

You can just imagine the author sitting there giggling to themselves at this point in the article.

In January 2016, three judges of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, an organisation based in Europe, had determined the 34 Essendon players violated the AFL?s anti-doping policy.

Yet, in March the previous year, the AFL anti-doping Tribunal had handed down a "not guilty" judgment on all the available evidence. The World Anti-Doping Authority appealed the AFL decision to CAS and won.

How, then, did the Court of Arbitration find to the contrary? Who knows, but WADA wanted blood.

Administering mysterious pharmaceuticals en masse to players off site doesn?t sound kosher, but that doesn?t mean it makes them perform beyond their natural capabilities.

Also just for semantics that "not guilty" was based on an incorrect application of the burden of proof which came as no surprise to anyone that has seen how the AFL operate.

[GVGjr]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

I think what lets Sheehan's point of view down is that the club and the players were removed from the finals and Watson was just one of thirty-four players suspended as part of supplements saga for using a banned performance-enhancing substance.
Why should he get a special acknowledgement and the others remain with a mark against them?
They all paid a heavy price for the failures of the club to administer a program within the guidelines perhaps the captain paid a slightly heavier one but it shouldn't matter now. The club was very lucky to have not been stood down from the competition.

This should be addressed with the Essendon football club.

[jeemak]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

I think what lets Sheehan's point of view down is that the club and the players were removed from the finals and Watson was just one of thirty-four players suspended as part of supplements saga for using a banned performance-enhancing substance.
Why should he get a special acknowledgement and the others remain with a mark against them?
They all paid a heavy price for the failures of the club to administer a program within the guidelines perhaps the captain paid a slightly heavier one but it shouldn't matter now. The club was very lucky to have not been stood down from the competition.

This should be addressed with the Essendon football club.

Essendon aren't about the team, it's about personalities like Timmy, Jimmy, Sheeds and Jobe! And long may that continue, because as long as they keep missing the point they'll keep missing finals.

[Uninformed]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

Have to disagree with pretty much all the analysis on this.


The AFL reached a finding of not guilty. That was all that was ever needed. If they’d had the spine to stick with that, none of the disaster that followed would have happened.


It was actually the totally irrelevant European Court of Arbitration in Sport who used the incorrect standard of evidence, or burden of proof. Natural justice requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and no-one produced anything even approaching that standard.


A just verdict had to be not guilty. It is Australian Rules football, not European Rules football. Tell the outsiders go and get. And tell the insane McDevitt and ASADA to go and get too. We do not want a Government with eyes on re-election interfering in our sport! The AFL should be doing the testing themselves.


Every player and coach were denied natural justice. So I agree you cannot just address the injustice to Watson. Hird and every affected player should be properly compensated.


While they are at it, the draft picks and points should be reinstated this year. That would be fair.


Who wants to claim a premiership where one of your competitors has been unjustly beaten into the ground.


Anyway. Doesn’t matter. Everyone has a point of view. Just waiting for someone to produce the hard evidence. Not inference, evidence. Still waiting…

[jeemak]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

So you're saying you sign up to WADA's rules and regulations for window dressing/ to look good, but when their process calls you to account you just ignore it?

[EasternWest]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

[FONT="]Have to disagree with pretty much all the analysis on this.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The AFL reached a finding of not guilty. That was all that was ever needed. If they’d had the spine to stick with that, none of the disaster that followed would have happened.[/FONT]
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[FONT="] It was actually the totally irrelevant European Court of Arbitration in Sport who used the incorrect standard of evidence, or burden of proof. Natural justice requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and no-one produced anything even approaching that standard. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]A just verdict had to be not guilty. It is Australian Rules football, not European Rules football. Tell the outsiders go and get. And tell the insane McDevitt and ASADA to go and get too. We do not want a Government with eyes on re-election interfering in our sport! The AFL should be doing the testing themselves.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Every player and coach were denied natural justice. So I agree you cannot just address the injustice to Watson. Hird and every affected player should be properly compensated. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]While they are at it, the draft picks and points should be reinstated this year. That would be fair.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Who wants to claim a premiership where one of your competitors has been unjustly beaten into the ground.[/FONT]
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Anyway. Doesn’t matter. Everyone has a point of view. Just waiting for someone to produce the hard evidence. Not inference, evidence. Still waiting…

It's Essington. I don't need evidence to fetch my pitchfork.

[hujsh]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

Have to disagree with pretty much all the analysis on this.


The AFL reached a finding of not guilty. That was all that was ever needed. If they?d had the spine to stick with that, none of the disaster that followed would have happened.

So many 'corrupt' groups you mentioned before but you don't see a problem with accepting an AFL finding? I guess Talia losing his phone was all good 'nothing to see here' justice as well? Since they're reliable and other organisations/groups are just corrupt

A just verdict had to be not guilty. It is Australian Rules football, not European Rules football. Tell the outsiders go and get.

Just waiting for someone to produce the hard evidence. Not inference, evidence. Still waiting?

They broke the rules the AFL signed up for. If you don't want to abide by the rulings of WADA/ASADA... don't agree to join them. Then your organisation can have their own sham trials to their hearts content. Let the cries of not guilty reign.

"Unfortunately, despite their education, they agreed to be injected with a number of substances they had little knowledge of, made no enquiries about the substance and kept the injections from their team doctor and Asada.?

McDevitt said no Essendon player declared the injections during Asada testing missions to the club, ?despite being asked each time whether they had taken any supplements?.

?At best, the players did not ask the questions, or the people, they should have. At worst, they were complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment.?

See they weren't injected with anything suspicious. They just had an offsite injection program, cut the doctor out of the process, didn't report it to ASADA, and lost all record of what they were injected with. Totally normal and professional stuff.

[jazzadogs]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

[FONT="]Have to disagree with pretty much all the analysis on this.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The AFL reached a finding of not guilty. That was all that was ever needed. If they’d had the spine to stick with that, none of the disaster that followed would have happened.[/FONT]
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[FONT="] It was actually the totally irrelevant European Court of Arbitration in Sport who used the incorrect standard of evidence, or burden of proof. Natural justice requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and no-one produced anything even approaching that standard. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]A just verdict had to be not guilty. It is Australian Rules football, not European Rules football. Tell the outsiders go and get. And tell the insane McDevitt and ASADA to go and get too. We do not want a Government with eyes on re-election interfering in our sport! The AFL should be doing the testing themselves.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Every player and coach were denied natural justice. So I agree you cannot just address the injustice to Watson. Hird and every affected player should be properly compensated. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]While they are at it, the draft picks and points should be reinstated this year. That would be fair.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Who wants to claim a premiership where one of your competitors has been unjustly beaten into the ground.[/FONT]
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Anyway. Doesn’t matter. Everyone has a point of view. Just waiting for someone to produce the hard evidence. Not inference, evidence. Still waiting…

Same. I'm still waiting for essendon to produce the evidence of what they injected their players with. One of the spreadsheets they deleted or computers they destroyed might come in handy for that.

They were found to be injecting players offsite, supposedly with no records of what, who or when.

[Grantysghost]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

So many 'corrupt' groups you mentioned before but you don't see a problem with accepting an AFL finding? I guess Talia losing his phone was all good 'nothing to see here' justice as well? Since they're reliable and other organisations/groups are just corrupt




They broke the rules the AFL signed up for. If you don't want to abide by the rulings of WADA/ASADA... don't agree to join them. Then your organisation can have their own sham trials to their hearts content. Let the cries of not guilty reign.



See they weren't injected with anything suspicious. They just had an offsite injection program, cut the doctor out of the process, didn't report it to ASADA, and lost all record of what they were injected with. Totally normal and professional stuff.

Nothing suss...!

[Uninformed]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

So you're saying you sign up to WADA's rules and regulations for window dressing/ to look good, but when their process calls you to account you just ignore it?

I am saying do not sign up in the first place. It is like a nation giving up it's sovereignty to sign up to some UN wank.

[Grantysghost]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

I am saying do not sign up in the first place. It is like a nation giving up it's sovereignty to sign up to some UN wank.

That's a different argument.

Once you have, then you certainly need to comply.

Why do you think it is Essendon haven't been able to prove they did nothing wrong?

[Uninformed]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

Nothing suss...!

Still waiting. Evidence not inference.