It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

[Topdog]

Re: It is time for Jobe Watson to be reinstated

^It was the approach to evidence that ultimately did the Bombres in, so essentially not having documentary evidence of what they were doing saved them at the AFL tribunal, while it didn't cut it with the WADA/ CAS processes.

The dog ate my homework excuse is bush league stuff which is fine if that's how you want to run a competition in a local market. It just doesn't cut it if you want to play in the big leagues from a doping perspective.

To be fair the AFL use much better excuses than that, we lose our phones or accidentally delete files. And if you know anything about life in the 21st century, once something digital is lost, it is absolutely impossible to get back.

[jeemak]

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To be fair the AFL use much better excuses than that, we lose our phones or accidentally delete files. And if you know anything about life in the 21st century, once something digital is lost, it is absolutely impossible to get back.

That's the hilarious part. To remove all traces of something takes a lot of effort!

[GVGjr]

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That's the hilarious part. To remove all traces of something takes a lot of effort!

I used to love watching the Shield and it's amazing how when the authorities break down the door just how quickly the evidence goes missing.

[Grantysghost]

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I used to love watching the Shield and it's amazing how when the authorities break down the door just how quickly the evidence goes missing.

It's so obvious it's laughable.

The truth will come out!

WaitING

[Uninformed]

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You are guilty if you do not have records of your injection , time and date .
That is a rule that is clear , otherwise athletes would just not take records.
The players said the club has the records , they didn?t and it?s irrelevant anyway as it clearly states the players must have them.
The club certainly did the players over but In saying that the players did themselves over by not having kept records themselves.
Guilty due to not keeping records whether it was illegal or not .
Essendon fans still don?t understand the fact they didn?t keep records is why they were found guilty not that they were taking illegal injections .
They have still not come out with the records so still guilty .
Watson did the wrong thing that year like all players no matter how many years down the track that year was still wrong.

So Guilty of poor record keeping. Goodness me! No wonder the authorities ruined their lives!

[Uninformed]

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How does anyone know? They 'lost' the spreadsheets, went behind their club doctor's back, and the players still aren't sure what was actually taken (TB4 as a best guess was part of the mix).

Because it was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Uninformed]

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So as long as someone is good at hiding something they can do whatever they like? No wonder everything at bomberland suddenly went missing.

Also again to clarify the burden of proof is different for WADA drug cases so the AFL did apply it incorrectly.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2021_wada_code.pdf

Article 3, page 26

Thanks for the link. That is actually no standard at all. It is so open to corruption that it is unbelievable they can get away with it.

[Uninformed]

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As an aside, I did listen to a podcast with Edwin Moses who has dedicated his life to catching drug cheats in sport.
We're very very close to not testing for substances at all and just analyzing blood samples to get a complete profile of an athlete's 'natural' genetic potential which means the smoking gun isn't needed anyway. It's far more complex than I can write here and a fascinating development.

Now that is really promising. It sounds like you may get actual proof rather than endless supposition and parsing.

[Grantysghost]

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Because it was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Urgh dude - cmon man.

It wasn't a murder trial.

What's reasonable doubt got to do with it?

Probably best to park this at :

1. Uninformed.
2. Rest of the world.

[Uninformed]

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It wasn't just about not keeping records, it was myriad reasons.

Here's the Wikipedia breakdown, and you can be sure if it wasn't accurate Bombres fans would be all over it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essend...pplements_saga

Wikipedia? That settles it then!

[Mofra]

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Because it was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

You watched too many US Cops shows.

If records cannot be produced when asked, that's considered Tier 1 evidence in Australia. Many many Acts place a positive obligation upon a person to keep and maintain records for a specific amount of time. If they cannot be produced, it's considered a breach of that Act (both Federal and State legislation).

[jeemak]

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Wikipedia? That settles it then!

It's not 2006 anymore, Wikipedia is openly auditable and you can bet more objectively accurate in this instance than anything you'd get from the Bombres, the AFEL or the Herald Sun.

But feel free to disagree with any of the summarised information sourced from within the link and debate it openly here.

[Uninformed]

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You watched too many US Cops shows.

If records cannot be produced when asked, that's considered Tier 1 evidence in Australia. Many many Acts place a positive obligation upon a person to keep and maintain records for a specific amount of time. If they cannot be produced, it's considered a breach of that Act (both Federal and State legislation).

And our legal system is not corrupt. Just ask Cardinal Pell!

[Uninformed]

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It's not 2006 anymore, Wikipedia is openly auditable and you can bet more objectively accurate in this instance than anything you'd get from the Bombres, the AFEL or the Herald Sun.

But feel free to disagree with any of the summarised information sourced from within the link and debate it openly here.

Simple. They show no evidence.

[Uninformed]

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Urgh dude - cmon man.

It wasn't a murder trial.

What's reasonable doubt got to do with it?

Probably best to park this at :

1. Uninformed.
2. Rest of the world.

He looked around. Saw that he was surrounded. Outnumbered. And with laser sharp arguments they were moving in for the kill.

Plaintively he cried, 'Okay I will park it at that.'