Greg Inglis to Essendon

[mjp]

Re: Greg Inglis to Essendon

When I was coaching under 12's we had a kid swap from rugby league and at the first nights training he asked if it was the end of the running drills, sadly I had to tell him that it was only the warm up.

He lasted one more week and went back to Rugby.

u12's do running drills?

Sad.

[Mantis]

Re: Greg Inglis to Essendon

What a waste of time and money IMO (plus he has a faulty character). I can understand a developing market like GC or GWS(mainly marketing), but I think Williams has shown us how long of a journey(and we are not there yet) it is.

That isn't true.

His missus was the nut-bag.

[Flamethrower]

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I don't mind the Gold Coast, GWS and Essendon wasting millions on these ex-NRL players. It means they have less to poach our top liners when they come out of contract. I prefer to scout the leagues like the VFL, WAFL, SANFL etc for hidden gems that have slipped through the system eg J-Pod, Barlow, and Matt Little (get him Doggies).

[EasternWest]

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What a waste of time and money IMO(plus he has a faulty character). I can understand a developing market like GC or GWS(mainly marketing), but I think Williams has shown us how long of a journey(and we are not there yet) it is.

Wasn't this disproven? I guess mud sticks regardless, but I think from memory his partner was acting violently and she got hurt when he tried to stop her?

[FrediKanoute]

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It is a really good point you make. That is the thing that frustrates me out of this is that the money paid to the ex NRL players bypasses the salary cap. The new teams are getting enough of an advantage with all their early draft picks. Having new players bypassing the salary cap(only because they come from another code) creates a bad precedent IMO. I heard on the radio where Essendon will ask the AFL if they do recruit Inglis, if they can pay his salary outside the salary cap under the "marketing allowance" that applies to Falou and Hunt. Even the thought of it is crazy. It should be the same rules for every AFL player, and all their payments goes in the same salary cap.

IMO, it is discrimination against players who have been born and bred with AFL, and played the game as juniors. Because they go through the AFL junior system, get drafted and have their first two years salary fixed, and then it is what the market says their talent demands, but within the confines of the salary cap. So their whole career, their salary has some sort of restriction or ceiling put on it. With the ex NRL guys, they get an overinflated salary from day one, only because they played another code. It doesn't make sense to me. The AFL want young children to play AFL rather than other codes, and then they reward people later who choose other codes as juniors. I can understand the players being up in arms.

On the 3rd party payments, I agree with your point. I have to say that I don't have a heap of faith in it. To me, it is crazy that the AFL say "When we bring in free agency, we will have to closely monitor the 3rd party payments". They should be doing it now like they are supposed to, not waiting for free agency to come in.

I agree whole heartedly with your sentiments. I don't think Rugby League players should be excluded from the salary cap. There is no logical basis for it. If Essendon want to get Greg Inglis down to the club then they should be preared to sacrifice space on the list and space in theri salary cap. Its not like getting funding for a developing player from another code like Gaelic, the rugby league guys are professional footballers.

[Mofra]

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I agree whole heartedly with your sentiments. I don't think Rugby League players should be excluded from the salary cap. There is no logical basis for it. If Essendon want to get Greg Inglis down to the club then they should be preared to sacrifice space on the list and space in theri salary cap.

No NRL players are exempt from the salary cap though. Every club receives a marketing allowance of $500k, and the new franchises are getting $1m in their allowance to promote the game. Folau & Hunt will be earning most of their money from the marketing allowance which makes sense - their output is likely to be far less than their value as a marketing tool.

[LostDoggy]

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Wasn't this disproven? I guess mud sticks regardless, but I think from memory his partner was acting violently and she got hurt when he tried to stop her?

Yes.

As a Storm supporter I'd be more shattered if Cameron Smith or Billy Slater left. If GI does leave the Storm I'd rather him swap codes than play for another NRL club though.

[LostDoggy]

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No NRL players are exempt from the salary cap though. Every club receives a marketing allowance of $500k, and the new franchises are getting $1m in their allowance to promote the game. Folau & Hunt will be earning most of their money from the marketing allowance which makes sense - their output is likely to be far less than their value as a marketing tool.

By that reasoning, could someone like Gablett then justifiably be able to ask GC17, or Geelong for that matter, to pay him out of the marketing allowance over and above his playing salary then? After all, they would be using him to market the game too.

For that matter, can't all clubs pay their star players bonuses out of their marketing budget? David Beckham in soccer was the first player to have an extra 'marketing' clause in his contract (image rights, it was called) that Manchester United had to pay him to have the 'right' to use his image for marketing purposes, this is obviously the same line that the AFL are taking with the NRL stars.

If I were a young superstar player in any code in Australia with a salary cap I would be asking my agent to suss out rival codes for the potential for a massive windfall in marketing money outside the salary cap; the rival codes will be willing to pay crazy money just to get one up on each other, and being young, I can always come back to my 'home' code after the experiment/contract is up.

Heck, if I played both AFL and NRL growing up I know I would happily switch back and forth if my earning potential was going to be tripled. It's not like the AFL is showing any loyalty to players who show loyalty to the code.

[Topdog]

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Wasn't this disproven? I guess mud sticks regardless, but I think from memory his partner was acting violently and she got hurt when he tried to stop her?

Correct and you'd think people would bother to look it up before spouting crap like that.

[Mofra]

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By that reasoning, could someone like Gablett then justifiably be able to ask GC17, or Geelong for that matter, to pay him out of the marketing allowance over and above his playing salary then? After all, they would be using him to market the game too.

They do. All clubs do. The $500k marketing allowance is capped for that reason.

[Doc26]

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They do. All clubs do. The $500k marketing allowance is capped for that reason.

Of course there's the Club specific marketing allowance of ~$530k IF they are fortunate enough to have the budget but then there's the abyss commonly known as 3rd party payments or that of the green ambassador where the sky is the limit which makes the marketing allowance simply pocket change.

Keeping GAJ at the Cats is not simply about dollars as this could and possibly will continue to be funded through a willing 3rd Party such as with Costas Property Dev. Group as with GAJ. It is accepted that GAJ and Judd are two of 114 players in '09 being paid under disclosed 3rd party agreements to a value ~$2m. The issue relates more to integrity and the precedence it sets with the flow on effect to the rest of their list. The winners become those who have greatest access to willing 3rd parties divided by an integrity factor.

[Mofra]

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Of course there's the Club specific marketing allowance of ~$530k IF they are fortunate enough to have the budget but then there's the abyss commonly known as 3rd party payments or that of the green ambassador where the sky is the limit which makes the marketing allowance simply pocket change.

I haven't heard any details of what the League guys might be getting outside of their salary & marketing contracts, I was making a comment purely on what every club already does. I disagree with the draft concessions the new start up sides are getting, but can understand the extra half a mil in marketing budget the new teams will have, and from a playing point of view am glad they are blowing it all on two guys who are unlikely to become A graders.

[The Boy From Brasil]

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Of course there's the Club specific marketing allowance of ~$530k IF they are fortunate enough to have the budget but then there's the abyss commonly known as 3rd party payments or that of the green ambassador where the sky is the limit which makes the marketing allowance simply pocket change.

Keeping GAJ at the Cats is not simply about dollars as this could and possibly will continue to be funded through a willing 3rd Party such as with Costas Property Dev. Group as with GAJ. It is accepted that GAJ and Judd are two of 114 players in '09 being paid under disclosed 3rd party agreements to a value ~$2m. The issue relates more to integrity and the precedence it sets with the flow on effect to the rest of their list. The winners become those who have greatest access to willing 3rd parties divided by an integrity factor.

Yes, the third party payments are a real worry for a club like ours. It is hard to compete against clubs like Carlton, West Coast, Adelaide etc who have more avenue to sponsorship or wealthy benefactors that we do.

The thing that worries me also with the third party payments is the transparency of it. Ken Wood might be doing a fantastic job and on top of it all, but we wouldn't know. The only time they announce that they will look at anything, is when it makes the headlines eg Ben Holland's claim against March with the property deals, and then the AFL announces a claytons investigation just to shut everyone up. The AFL should be giving us a summary of what deal took place and why they view it as bona fide. They don't have to necessarily mention the exact sum for confidentiality reasons, but just the deal done and why it is okay. With the golden silence that exists over all these third party deals, it is hard for the public to have confidence over the salary cap system(the cornerstone of our system).

It seems crazy to me and out of whack, that the AFL will go hard and public over immaterial things like players or officials betting $2. But on the third party deals, you never hear a thing. We just have to trust them that it is all above board.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Yes, the third party payments are a real worry for a club like ours. It is hard to compete against clubs like Carlton, West Coast, Adelaide etc who have more avenue to sponsorship or wealthy benefactors that we do.

The thing that worries me also with the third party payments is the transparency of it. Ken Wood might be doing a fantastic job and on top of it all, but we wouldn't know. The only time they announce that they will look at anything, is when it makes the headlines eg Ben Holland's claim against March with the property deals, and then the AFL announces a claytons investigation just to shut everyone up. The AFL should be giving us a summary of what deal took place and why they view it as bona fide. They don't have to necessarily mention the exact sum for confidentiality reasons, but just the deal done and why it is okay. With the golden silence that exists over all these third party deals, it is hard for the public to have confidence over the salary cap system(the cornerstone of our system).

It seems crazy to me and out of whack, that the AFL will go hard and public over immaterial things like players or officials betting $2. But on the third party deals, you never hear a thing. We just have to trust them that it is all above board.

This.


At least in Rugby League the have the "Any Team?" test. The NRL ask themselves, "would this player still get this endorsement if he was playing for another team?".

Clearly Chris Judd and Gary Ablett wouldn't get the endorsements they do from Visy or Costa's if they played for other clubs, so these deals wouldn't be allowed. While it's far from a perfect system it's about a billion times better than our system.

I understand that this was one of the things that lead to the Storm investigation. Cam Smith's deal with Foxtel (to promote Foxtel in Melbourne) was dependant on Smith being a Melbourne player (why would Foxtel want Jarrod Heyne to promote them in Melbourne?).

[LostDoggy]

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I just wanted to congratulate Greg Inglis and Sally Robinson on their engagement.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wedding-plans-lift-ingliss-spirits-20100626-zaq7.html