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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65611

    Substitutes in for 2011

    By Adam McNicol
    12:15 PM Mon 04 Oct, 2010

    AFL TEAMS will have three interchange players and one substitute on their benches in 2011 after the League acted to curb the dramatic rise in the number of rotations during matches.

    The new rule, which was trialled in the 2009 and 2010 NAB Cup competitions, will allow clubs to introduce their substitute into games at any time, but the player who is replaced cannot return to the field.

    "Interchange numbers per club have doubled from an average of 58 per game in 2007 to 117 per game in 2010," AFL football operations manager and chairman of the laws of the game committee Adrian Anderson said.

    The AFL has cited three reasons - congestion, fairness and injuries - for changing the interchange rules for the first time since the fourth bench player was added in 1998.

    "The use of interchange has created more congestion, more stoppages, more defensive pressure and has contributed to a drop in disposal efficiency," Anderson said.

    "The laws committee was also concerned about the increasing effect of the interchange on match fairness.

    "The interchange was originally designed to help teams when they had an injury, but was increasingly a disadvantage to a team with an injury, because it was unable to rotate their players as much as the opposition.

    "The medical advice was also telling us that a restriction should be applied to try to arrest the current injury trend."

    Three different interchange rules were floated for discussion by the laws committee in August.

    They were:

    - three interchange players and one subtitute
    - two interchange players and two substitutes
    - four interchange players, with a cap of 80 interchanges per game

    The laws committee subsequently chose to recommend the one-sub system to the league executive, which endorsed it. The new rule was then ratified by the AFL Commission.

    The league has made two other changes for the 2011 season.

    The advantage rule trialled in this year's pre-season NAB Cup competition, whereby the player not the umpire determines whether there is an advantage in playing on after a free kick, will be introduced.

    In addition, the rule on head high bumps has been clarified.

    A player who elects to apply a bump in any situation can now expect to be reported if he makes forceful contact with the head, unless:

    - the player was contesting the ball and did not have a realistic alternative way to contest the ball
    - the contact was caused by circumstances outside the control of the player which could not be reasonably foreseen.

    The laws committee did not recommend any change to the game's scoring system, nor any change to the length of quarters.

    The laws committee consists of Anderson, Kevin Bartlett, Luke Darcy, Andrew McKay, Leigh Matthews, Matthew Pavlich, Luke Power, Rowan Sawers and Michael Sexton.
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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65611

    #2
    Re: Substitutes in for 2011

    This will change the game again. No thought by the rules committee on what will happen.

    1. Good bye second ruck
    2. Rotations to grow even more
    3. interesting to see what tactics will be used by coaches on the sub
    4. When injuries happen, wait for the outcry?
    5. What does this really achieve?
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    • mighty_west
      Coaching Staff
      • Feb 2008
      • 3377

      #3
      Re: Substitutes in for 2011

      Originally posted by bornadog
      This will change the game again. No thought by the rules committee on what will happen.

      1. Good bye second ruck
      2. Rotations to grow even more
      3. interesting to see what tactics will be used by coaches on the sub
      4. When injuries happen, wait for the outcry?
      5. What does this really achieve?
      Goodbye to the one dinosaur ruckman that serves no purpose but playing purely in the ruck.

      Would be a risk for coaches to sub a player without an injury, would kind of suck to only have 2 bench warmers and one subbed out fit player.

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      • mighty_west
        Coaching Staff
        • Feb 2008
        • 3377

        #4
        Re: Substitutes in for 2011

        Would also kind of suck having a sub that may not get any game time what so ever for the weekend if their VFL team played the same day!

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        • The Coon Dog
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7575

          #5
          Re: Substitutes in for 2011

          Originally posted by mighty_west
          Would also kind of suck having a sub that may not get any game time what so ever for the weekend if their VFL team played the same day!
          Really will need careful management.

          I can't see someone sitting out a whole game. Even without injuries, teams will want a fresh pair of legs in games.
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          • Bulldog Joe
            Premiership Moderator
            • Jul 2009
            • 5441

            #6
            Re: Substitutes in for 2011

            Originally posted by bornadog
            This will change the game again. No thought by the rules committee on what will happen.

            1. Good bye second ruck
            2. Rotations to grow even more
            3. interesting to see what tactics will be used by coaches on the sub
            4. When injuries happen, wait for the outcry?
            5. What does this really achieve?
            Perhaps it means no rotation for ruckmen as they can stay on the ground and maybe rest forward.

            Clubs will look to ways that they can still maximise the midfield rotations and I see that as probably increasing the players with little or no rotation.

            For the Dogs it probably means players like Lake, Hudson, Hall stay on the ground.
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            • mighty_west
              Coaching Staff
              • Feb 2008
              • 3377

              #7
              Re: Substitutes in for 2011

              Originally posted by The Coon Dog
              Really will need careful management.

              I can't see someone sitting out a whole game. Even without injuries, teams will want a fresh pair of legs in games.
              True, it's going to be interesting to see if a team subs a player after half time or even 3/4 time, especially in a tight tough game and suffer an injury after that sometime, it could be the difference between winning and losing a game to only have 2 players to rotate with.

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              • Greystache
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Dec 2009
                • 9775

                #8
                Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                Perhaps it means no rotation for ruckmen as they can stay on the ground and maybe rest forward.

                Clubs will look to ways that they can still maximise the midfield rotations and I see that as probably increasing the players with little or no rotation.

                For the Dogs it probably means players like Lake, Hudson, Hall stay on the ground.
                That's what I think will happen too. The running players will be rotated just as much as they are now, but the more fixed postition players won't be part of the rotations. I'm not sure this change will work the way the AFL hope, I think it will just further highlight the gulf between the fixed position players (ie ruckmen and KP forwards and defenders) and the fresher burst running players.

                The only advantage it might have is potentially restricting the less rotated forwards from pushing deep into defence the way St Kilda do.
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                • mjp
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 7246

                  #9
                  Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                  Will be a bit more 'coaching' and a few less player driven rotations.

                  That is what makes me laugh about all this - it isn't as if the coaches are sitting up in the box 'ringing the changes' - when the players are tired or NEAR the bench, or there is a break in play....they come off.

                  There will be less of their mates to change with so this might be marginally restricted...I doubt things will change that much though.
                  What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 65611

                    #10
                    Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                    Originally posted by mjp
                    Will be a bit more 'coaching' and a few less player driven rotations.

                    That is what makes me laugh about all this - it isn't as if the coaches are sitting up in the box 'ringing the changes' - when the players are tired or NEAR the bench, or there is a break in play....they come off.

                    There will be less of their mates to change with so this might be marginally restricted...I doubt things will change that much though.
                    Then I wonder what the the thinking is to change the rules?
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                    • Mantis
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 15204

                      #11
                      Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Then I wonder what the thinking is to change the rules?
                      Because for the AFL doing something is better than nothing.

                      This is something.

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                      • Missing Dog
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8501

                        #12
                        Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                        I think this rule ends Will Minson career at the Dogs

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #13
                          Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                          In turn might it revive Everitt's career? If we are going to trade for Setanta to fill the gap here, I'd rather keep Everitt.

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15204

                            #14
                            Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                            Originally posted by Chops
                            In turn might it revive Everitt's career? If we are going to trade for Setanta to fill the gap here, I'd rather keep Everitt.
                            Setanta?

                            I haven't heard his name mentioned as someone we are looking at.

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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 43906

                              #15
                              Re: Substitutes in for 2011

                              It's a significant change without allowing clubs the chance to adjust their lists in advance.

                              I think this is a change that could have been made 12 months further down the track.
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