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  • Ghost Dog
    WOOF Member
    • May 2010
    • 9404

    Cracking in just crackers

    Contested possession not critical: Hopkins
    Greg Baum
    June 13, 2012


    A FOOTBALL stats pioneer and the man who coined much of the terminology says that contested possession is overrated as a measure of a good football team, was misunderstood by many in the game and had become ''one of the fashion statements of the time''.

    Ted Hopkins, who founded Champion Data in 1995, says that quality disposal is a more accurate guide to winning than contested possession. ''An extra quality disposal is worth two points on the scoreboard, an extra contested possession is worth one point,'' Hopkins said. ''The art of kicking is the most sublimely important skill in football. I get amazed at this focus on players crashing in like road carnage. There's no point unless you've got the ability or the teamwork to extract the ball. The best way to put pressure on an opposition is precise disposal.''

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...#ixzz1xbywzPuP

    It also explains how it is that a fortnight ago, Sydney lost the contested possession count to the Dogs, but won by 92 points. Last week, playing Essendon, the Swans again lost that stat and won the game.
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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #2
    Re: Cracking in just crackers

    Football is like health. The opinions and trends of what “works” changes by the minute, yet the body remains the same.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 66696

      #3
      Re: Cracking in just crackers

      We have been saying this all year at WOOF. The Dogs are in the top three or so for CP yet our disposal out of the contest is woeful and that is why we can't win games. Hopkins is just confirming what we all know, CP is not the be all and end all.
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      • Maddog37
        WOOF Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3132

        #4
        Re: Cracking in just crackers

        That is true but if you don't win contests you can't win games. We need both.

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          #5
          Re: Cracking in just crackers

          Originally posted by Maddog37
          That is true but if you don't win contests you can't win games.
          ??

          Everyone who's beat us lost the contested count. By definition, winning games despite losing contests.

          It's a nonsensical measure, and I've led the charge on why it's fool's gold.

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          • Maddog37
            WOOF Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3132

            #6
            Re: Cracking in just crackers

            I do agree but the other end of the scale is a team like Carlton that have great run etc but not enough hard workers.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: Cracking in just crackers

              Gee, it's so obvious, does it really need debate? You need to win the ball. Then you need to use it well. This will win you games. Incredibly complicated stuff.

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              • BulldogBelle
                WOOF Member
                • Nov 2006
                • 5284

                #8
                Re: Cracking in just crackers

                Originally posted by BornAScragger
                Gee, it's so obvious, does it really need debate? You need to win the ball. Then you need to use it well. This will win you games. Incredibly complicated stuff.
                Could you please simplify that for me?

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: Cracking in just crackers

                  Originally posted by St 07
                  Could you please simplify that for me?
                  Absolutely: We need to play like Geelong. With both sides of the coin.

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