Round 12 - Other Matches

[Mantis]

Re: Round 12 - Other Matches

Not really. If two players are going for the ball, one trying to mark the ball, the other trying to spoil by punching but the defender in their action hits the arm of his opponent then why should they get punished? The holding the arm is preventing the opponent in even marking the ball at all and there is no intention to directly spoil. I know you are going to say the defender may look like he is trying to punch the ball but all along he is deliberately chopping arms. I say too bad.

The end result is that either by holding or chopping the marking player isn't being allowed to mark the ball using both hands... And the prime objection should be to allow the attacking player every opportunity to win the ball.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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The end result is that either by holding or chopping the marking player isn't being allowed to mark the ball using both hands... And the prime objection should be to allow the attacking player every opportunity to win the ball.

The end result is it is almost impossible to spoil someone taller than you. Heading towards 7 footers like in basketball.

[westdog54]

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Not really. If two players are going for the ball, one trying to mark the ball, the other trying to spoil by punching but the defender in their action hits the arm of his opponent then why should they get punished? The holding the arm is preventing the opponent in even marking the ball at all and there is no intention to directly spoil. I know you are going to say the defender may look like he is trying to punch the ball but all along he is deliberately chopping arms. I say too bad.

The difference should lie in the end result, as it does in Soccer. If you get the ball with the spoil then there's no free. That doesn't happen. If you get nowhere near the ball but still take the arms out IMO that should be a free, I don't see it as being any different to pushing your opponent out or holding his arm.

Just as an aside thanks to Eastdog for starting these threads every week. Generating some good discussion of late.

[Mantis]

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The end result is it is almost impossible to spoil someone taller than you. Heading towards 7 footers like in basketball.

Lucky we have Cordy & Roughead then.

I understand your point, but the free Judd gave away was a blatant chop/ drag of the arm and this type of disgression should be picked up and punished every time.

[jeemak]

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Best Point I think I've ever seen.
He is unbelievable, is there another Ruckman in the league that could pull that off?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGZT2Chehk

(sorry forget how to embed it into the forum)

He is unbelievable, I shudder to think how good he can be.

Though, I must say I don't think I've ever seen so many highlights of a player doing average things. Channel 7 continually show highlights of him jumping high, tapping the ball to nobody and missing targets athletically.

Imagine how the hype will be when he actually starts converting on his athleticism. It will be pretty good to watch.

[jeemak]

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The difference should lie in the end result, as it does in Soccer. If you get the ball with the spoil then there's no free. That doesn't happen. If you get nowhere near the ball but still take the arms out IMO that should be a free, I don't see it as being any different to pushing your opponent out or holding his arm.

Just as an aside thanks to Eastdog for starting these threads every week. Generating some good discussion of late.

Agreed. Good work Eastdog.

I think holding and dragging are distinct from hitting, and should be punished accordingly. A genuine attempt to spoil might result in an arm being hit, that's football, and good players are strong enough to cope with it.

[Bornadog]

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I think holding and dragging are distinct from hitting, and should be punished accordingly. A genuine attempt to spoil might result in an arm being hit, that's football, and good players are strong enough to cope with it.

That is what I am saying, yet hitting the arms is a free kick.

[westdog54]

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That is what I am saying, yet hitting the arms is a free kick.

And it shouldn't be provided that you get the ball IMO. If you don't, whether or not you were intending to legitimately spoil, I believe you are unfairly impeding the player trying to take a mark.

[Remi Moses]

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Just listening to a very impressive GWS.
Cameron and Patton are going to cause major major headaches.
Incredible contrast to the other New Franchise, they're harder and tougher than the Suns.
Ward seemed to have a quiet one, but got a few in the last.
That compensation we got compared to Melb is outrageous, to say the least

[westdog54]

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Just listening to a very impressive GWS.
Cameron and Patton are going to cause major major headaches.
Incredible contrast to the other New Franchise, they're harder and tougher than the Suns.
Ward seemed to have a quiet one, but got a few in the last.
That compensation we got compared to Melb is outrageous, to say the least

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Melbourne got ridiculous overs. Scully is not worth the same as Gary Ablett and neither is Ward. They should have received the same as us.

[Eastdog]

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Thanks for the compliment jeemak and westdog54. Gold Coast v North match looks pretty poor and not much atmosphere. North I would say should win. Gold Coast have been terrible this season.

[Remi Moses]

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Watching the GC game.
Top game of circle work

[Eastdog]

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Gold Coast hanging in there. They are a real chance.

[Eastdog]

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Thriller on our hands.

[westdog54]

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North have dodged a bullet. Over the line by 7 points despite awful conversion in front of goal.

Ablett another 40 touch game but has no support.