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  • Greystache
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775

    Father-son rules change opens up options



    CLUBS will have the option of recruiting father-son prospects as rookies during this year's draft process, in a rule change that will help borderline prospects reach their father's club.

    The AFL decided at its commission meeting last month to alter the father-son rules so that an eligible player overlooked in the national draft can be prelisted by their father's club ahead of the subsequent rookie draft.

    Clubs will not need to nominate these players as father-son prospects at the start of the trade period, as they do with those they intend to draft, but they will be required to indicate their interest in taking them on as a rookie.

    For instance, Essendon will this year nominate Joe Daniher as a father-son draftee, and be forced to use a first-round pick on the 201-centimetre ruckman/forward as part of the bidding process.

    Hypothetically, the Bombers could also indicate their interest in Jordan Williams, the 18-year-old son of 109-game rover Darren, who plays for the Eastern Ranges in the TAC Cup.

    If Essendon nominated Williams, a midfielder, it would have to use its final choice in the draft on him, as Geelong and Carlton did with Jed Bews and Dylan Buckley last year.

    Simply indicating the club's interest in him would mean taking the risk that he would pass through the national draft unselected, then prelisting him using the club's last rookie list spot.

    The rule change fits with the overall point of of the father-son bidding system - which determines a prospect's ''market worth'' - and with the rule enabling the northern clubs to prelist players from their local zones ahead of the rookie draft.

    Last year, Gold Coast and Sydney used this rule to prelist Josh Hall and Harry Cunningham as rookies. Had this rule been in place last year, the Bombers would have been able to secure Sam Dunell, the son of former premiership player Frank, with its last rookie pick, denying St Kilda the chance to choose him.

    Dunell, who has played in the Saints' last two games after being elevated from the rookie list, was overlooked by all clubs in the national draft before being picked up as the No. 12 rookie.

    Tom Fields (Essendon), Jydon Neagle (Essendon) and Jackson Starcevich (Collingwood) are other rookie possibilities this year, with Daniher, Jack Viney (Melbourne), Lachlan Hunter (Western Bulldogs), James Stewart (Collingwood) and Jordon Bourke (Geelong) the leading father-son prospects.

    Essendon and Melbourne have already committed to nominating Daniher and Viney, while the Bulldogs, Magpies and Cats must determine what they believe Hunter and Stewart to be worth before deciding whether to nominate them.

    Bourke, who can also be signed or traded by the Suns as a zone player, will play the first of two games for the Geelong VFL side against Bendigo on Saturday, a curtain-raiser for the senior side's game against Adelaide.

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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65577

    #2
    Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

    I would take Hunter as a rookie pick, if he is worth that? Haven't seen much of him but from reports he hasn't set the world on fire.
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    • Sockeye Salmon
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6365

      #3
      Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

      Originally posted by bornadog
      I would take Hunter as a rookie pick, if he is worth that? Haven't seen much of him but from reports he hasn't set the world on fire.
      He looked pretty ordinary to me but I've only seen him twice. He has a December birth date so he is nearly bottom age, though.

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #4
        Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

        The change means little.
        Not sure there will be no bids for L Hunter.

        The change I want is you get some sort of compensation if your father has played even 1 game.
        2 Rieds, Hanaberry and Smedts would be nice right now. Miss anyone?

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 65577

          #5
          Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

          Originally posted by Chops
          The change means little.
          Not sure there will be no bids for L Hunter.

          The change I want is you get some sort of compensation if your father has played even 1 game.
          2 Rieds, Hanaberry and Smedts would be nice right now. Miss anyone?
          I don't know why the hell they changed it from 50 to 100 games. The AFL makes things up as it goes along and doesn't think - full stop.

          You can add Alex Rance
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          • Missing Dog
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8501

            #6
            Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

            Originally posted by bornadog
            I would take Hunter as a rookie pick, if he is worth that? Haven't seen much of him but from reports he hasn't set the world on fire.
            He's not as bad as what he showed in the last two games of the champs. He still managed to play every game (pretty sure?) in a very strong vic metro team, he's at least worth a rookie draft pick. I think we will get him with our last pick in the main draft.

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            • G-Mo77
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Apr 2007
              • 9873

              #7
              Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

              Originally posted by bulldogsman
              He's not as bad as what he showed in the last two games of the champs. He still managed to play every game (pretty sure?) in a very strong vic metro team, he's at least worth a rookie draft pick. I think we will get him with our last pick in the main draft.
              This.

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              • mjp
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7240

                #8
                Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                Originally posted by bornadog
                I don't know why the hell they changed it from 50 to 100 games. The AFL makes things up as it goes along and doesn't think - full stop.

                You can add Alex Rance
                To be fair, Rance jr should be at WC not WB - Swan Districts boy.

                I still say 100 games is fair.
                What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                • Scraggers
                  Premiership Moderator
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 3551

                  #9
                  Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                  Originally posted by mjp
                  To be fair, Rance jr should be at WC not WB - Swan Districts boy.

                  I still say 100 games is fair.
                  Murray Rance played 40 games for us and 57 for WCE

                  I agree mjp, 100 is fair.

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #10
                    Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                    Originally posted by mjp
                    To be fair, Rance jr should be at WC not WB - Swan Districts boy.

                    I still say 100 games is fair.
                    I'm saying something like 100 games gives you a 100% chance if you want him you can get him.
                    50 games gives you a less chance but better than any normal draft.
                    Even 1 game should be better chance a normal draft pick.
                    Eg if the father played 1-10 games and you want him. You must use a top 10 pick.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65577

                      #11
                      Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                      Originally posted by mjp
                      I still say 100 games is fair.
                      Originally posted by Scraggers
                      Murray Rance played 40 games for us and 57 for WCE

                      I agree mjp, 100 is fair.
                      Why 100?
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                      • Scraggers
                        Premiership Moderator
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 3551

                        #12
                        Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                        Edit ... It took me a while to find it ... Murray Rance also played 140 games for Swan Districts.

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                        • Scraggers
                          Premiership Moderator
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 3551

                          #13
                          Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Why 100?
                          The line has to be drawn somewhere ... 100 games means they have been at the club for at least 5 seasons (more than likely more than that). This is a substantial chunk of a players career.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 65577

                            #14
                            Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                            Originally posted by Scraggers
                            The line has to be drawn somewhere ... 100 games means they have been at the club for at least 5 seasons (more than likely more than that).
                            and ? I couldn't see anything wrong with 50 games.
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                            • Scraggers
                              Premiership Moderator
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3551

                              #15
                              Re: Father-son rules change opens up options

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              and ? I couldn't see anything wrong with 50 games.
                              Your too quick ... Let me edit

                              Barry Hall played 88 games for St. Kilda, 162 for Sydney, and 39 for us ... He may consider himself a Bulldog, but the stats say otherwise.

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