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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 67247

    AFL players as one on interchange

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    By Kim Hagdorn
    29 August 2012 01:03PM EST

    A UNITED AFL player front is gearing up to steadfastly reject a proposed further reduction of interchange players.

    Robert Murphy (pictured) has spoken out on proposed interchange changes

    Players spread around the nation are meeting within their clubs and reporting to their player’s union executive all views on mounting expectation that the league will further modify interchange rules from next year.

    AFL Player’s Association executive board member Robert Murphy revealed that players through the 18-team competition are totally united against any change.

    The Western Bulldogs veteran expects responses from all clubs later this week, ahead of the final round of home-and-away fixtures over the weekend and some player heading into holiday early next month during the league’s finals series.

    Murphy and fellow executive board member Brad Sewell said their union of players has their strongest ever bonds among the 900-plus AFL player group after last year’s highly successful stand-off with league powerbrokers for pay improvements.

    Murphy said on his regular Tuesday night segment on Fox Footy’s popular AFL 360 segment that players are ready to repel the league’s push for any adjustment to interchange regulations.

    “The adjustment to three and one, was a big one and as far as I can tell we are very united in that another change in such a short period would probably go against what the hopes are for the players,” Murphy said.

    “I don’t want any change.

    “We’ve met as an executive and as far as I can tell I haven’t spoken to a player or heard of a player, that is for a change to the current.”

    Murphy disclosed that all clubs will hold player meetings this week.

    Sewell said players are more united on important issues than ever before.

    “In the past 12 to 18 months and the CBA negotiations there is a real ground swell amongst the players and we haven’t had that union in the past,” he said.

    “Now off the back of that CBA there really is something there.”

    Tension between AFL players and league management is mounting with raging speculation through the industry that from next season teams could be forced to operate with just two interchange players and two substitutes.

    For the past two seasons AFL games have operated with three interchange and one substitute after moves from the league operations department to attempt to reduce a rapidly spiralling number of rotations in every match.

    League advisors claimed at the time of reducing interchange numbers from four to three, with a substitute, that dragging back the number of rotations would assist in slowing down an alarming increase in speed and tempo of games as well as reduce injury prospects.

    Another argument from league headquarters in defence of an interchange and rotations reduction was to keep the best players engaged in the action and on grounds longer.

    Players, coaches as well as club-based sports science experts roundly reject those claims.
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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 67247

    #2
    Re: AFL players as one on interchange

    two years on and having a sub has done nothing to improve AFL football.
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 67247

      #3
      Re: AFL players as one on interchange

      AFL may scrap the sub when they further reduce the interchange rotations. see story here

      Really the AFL doesn't have a clue how to run the game with all the tinkering.
      FFC: Established 1883

      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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      • comrade
        Hall of Fame
        • Jun 2008
        • 18092

        #4
        Re: AFL players as one on interchange

        Piss the sub off once and for all. I hate it with a passion.

        Anyone like it?
        Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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        • Go_Dogs
          Hall of Fame
          • Jan 2007
          • 10209

          #5
          Re: AFL players as one on interchange

          Originally posted by comrade
          Piss the sub off once and for all. I hate it with a passion.

          Anyone like it?
          I don't know anyone who does. I'm not against a cap, but I'm definitely all for eradicating the sub.
          Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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          • boydogs
            WOOF Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 5845

            #6
            Re: AFL players as one on interchange

            Originally posted by comrade
            Piss the sub off once and for all. I hate it with a passion.

            Anyone like it?
            It's alright, adds another point of interest to the game and reduces the impact of an early game ending injury on the contest
            If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

            Formerly gogriff

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44979

              #7
              Re: AFL players as one on interchange

              Originally posted by comrade
              Piss the sub off once and for all. I hate it with a passion.

              Anyone like it?
              I can understand why they tried it but it's time for a rethink. Lower the changes to 90 or 100 and get rid of the sub.
              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • Remi Moses
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 14785

                #8
                Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                I can understand why they tried it but it's time for a rethink. Lower the changes to 90 or 100 and get rid of the sub.
                Agree entirely . The sub is just a waste of time, and just have 4 on the pine and limit the interchange .

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                  Originally posted by boydogs
                  It's alright, adds another point of interest to the game and reduces the impact of an early game ending injury on the contest
                  I'd disagree on that one, all it does is force a team to use their sub early. The other team then has a fit and fresh player to bring on at the optimum time. Now lose the sub, and you've just got one less interchange. The opposition is still advantaged, but not as much as being able to bring on an impact player late in the third.

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 67247

                    #10
                    Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    I can understand why they tried it but it's time for a rethink. Lower the changes to 90 or 100 and get rid of the sub.
                    Why have a limit at all?
                    FFC: Established 1883

                    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                    • Greystache
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9775

                      #11
                      Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                      Originally posted by BornAScragger
                      I'd disagree on that one, all it does is force a team to use their sub early. The other team then has a fit and fresh player to bring on at the optimum time. Now lose the sub, and you've just got one less interchange. The opposition is still advantaged, but not as much as being able to bring on an impact player late in the third.
                      I don't think the fresh sub coming on really has a great impact purely because they're fresh. Often the sub can't get into the game for the first 10-15 mins and has no impact. The thing I did like about the sub was we didn't have to hear the losing coach pissing and moaning that being one rotation down early cost them the game, and there should be 5, 7, 10 etc subs to stop teams being at a disadvantage. Coaches like Brad Scott, Malthouse, and Roos use that as their excuse for losing every time and it's pathetic.
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                      • Ozza
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6402

                        #12
                        Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                        I certainly would support eradicating the sub.

                        But also think a restricted interchange would be beneficial. Nothing ridiculous, but about 100 might be right.

                        I have changed my tune on the restricted interchange. As I think it may be one of the ways that the game can avoid looking like it does, where all 36 players find themselves in the one half of the ground many times during the game.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 67247

                          #13
                          Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                          Originally posted by Ozza
                          I certainly would support eradicating the sub.

                          But also think a restricted interchange would be beneficial. Nothing ridiculous, but about 100 might be right.

                          I have changed my tune on the restricted interchange. As I think it may be one of the ways that the game can avoid looking like it does, where all 36 players find themselves in the one half of the ground many times during the game.
                          Other than keeping within zones, 36 players can be in one half of the ground anytime.
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • Ozza
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 6402

                            #14
                            Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            Other than keeping within zones, 36 players can be in one half of the ground anytime.
                            But my point is that if interchanges are restricted - it will be simply too hard for all players to go up and back all day - so you will see less of this sort of activity. Forwards won't be working up to the back half quite so much as they will have to pace themselves better over a whole match.

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                            • Happy Days
                              Hall of Fame
                              • May 2008
                              • 10203

                              #15
                              Re: AFL players as one on interchange

                              Originally posted by comrade
                              Piss the sub off once and for all. I hate it with a passion.

                              Anyone like it?
                              Carlton Draught.
                              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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