AFL crackdown on Judd third-party deal

[LostDoggy]

http://www.skynews.com.au/sport/article.aspx?id=816973

The AFL has confirmed a third-party deal involving Carlton superstar Chris Judd - believed to be worth $250,000 a year - can no longer be paid outside the club's salary cap.

In a move sure to put even more pressure on the Blues' already tight salary cap, Judd's contentious deal with Visy must now be included as part of the club's total player payments or the Additional Services Agreement.

The deal, which was payment for Judd's services as ambassador for Visy, had played a crucial role in the midfielder's move to the club from West Coast in 2008, and had one more year to run as part of the original six-year contract.

But the AFL's general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson said the payments would no longer be permitted outside the salary cap following a revision of the rules regarding third-party deals last month.

'A previous arrangement between Chris Judd and Visy had been approved by the AFL as an employment agreement in 2008,' Anderson said in a statement.

'Since that time and with the advent of free agency, the AFL has tightened the criteria for the approval of such third party arrangements.

'The consequence of this decision means that any future payments made under arrangements between Chris Judd and Visy need to be included in Carlton's ASA limit or TPP.'

Anderson said the AFL would continue to scrutinise related-party deals for players across the game.

[KT31]

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How it wasn't included in their salry cap initially is farcical.

[LongWait]

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So Carlton's next move will be for Rebecca to land a contract as an ambassador for some company with ties to Carlton.

The only way the rampant cheating stops is if the penalties for the individuals and for the clubs involved are enormous and potential breaches are rigorously investigated and enforced.

From memory, serial cheats, or those with serious infractions include Sydney, Carlton, Essendon, Adelaide, Melbourne, West Coast, Brisbane, Geelong. There may be more.

I guess this latest move is a step in the right direction but history suggests we have a long way to go before we have a competition where player payments are above board and transparent.

[Happy Days]

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This is still, and will always continue to be bullshit.

Adelaide are going to get the book thrown at them but Carlton just get it (rightfully) included in their cap for the same thing, just because they did it a few years earlier?

And this isn't saying Adelaide got off light.

[Remi Moses]

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The AFL opened up Pandora's Box when they allowed the Judd deal through.
I think in hindsight they thought Carlton were punished to severely in the first place.

[Go_Dogs]

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This is still, and will always continue to be bullshit.

Adelaide are going to get the book thrown at them but Carlton just get it (rightfully) included in their cap for the same thing, just because they did it a few years earlier?

And this isn't saying Adelaide got off light.

The difference being the Judd deal was AFL approved, the Tippett deal was intended to be kept under the table.

Good to see the AFL have finally come to their senses and deals like the Judd one have to now be included in the cap. Hopefully it causes them a few problems

[azabob]

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The difference being the Judd deal was AFL approved, the Tippett deal was intended to be kept under the table.

Good to see the AFL have finally come to their senses and deals like the Judd one have to now be included in the cap. Hopefully it causes them a few problems

Overall I don't think this is good news.

Judd, Selwood, Dangerfield, Van Berlo, will all stand their grounds on this one and it could get messy. You cannot blame them either, their deals were okay at the time, now the AFL is changing its mind?

It has been reported that Judd has refused to take this lying down. Carlton have asked him to re-negoitate / extend his contract past 2013 so they are able to get some salary cap relief by so far he has refused to.

[LostDoggy]

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Overall I don't think this is good news.

Judd, Selwood, Dangerfield, Van Berlo, will all stand their grounds on this one and it could get messy. You cannot blame them either, their deals were okay at the time, now the AFL is changing its mind?

It has been reported that Judd has refused to take this lying down. Carlton have asked him to re-negoitate / extend his contract past 2013 so they are able to get some salary cap relief by so far he has refused to.

There is a easy solution for Carlton if they want to keep Judd in the list with the same salary. All they need to do is take someone off the list and reduce their salary exposure.

[MrMahatma]

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There is a easy solution for Carlton if they want to keep Judd in the list with the same salary. All they need to do is take someone off the list and reduce their salary exposure.

It is a joke though. Surely the AFL have to say "no more 3rd party deals once current contracts expire" rather than just pulling the rug from under players now. It's rubbish

[EasternWest]

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Have we got any players with these sorts of deals? I guess now they are the story du jour, we'll hear if we do?

[Ghost Dog]

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Hun wrote an article detailing fines given out to clubs over the years for breaches.
We have forked out around $100,000 from memory, in fines over the years.
Some of this was for stupid stuff like late submission of documents.

[LostDoggy]

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A certain amount of responsibility rests on Judd's shoulders. He signed the contract. He knew it was a grey area but he was happy to take Visy's money. To whine now is a bit rich in my book.

[Sedat]

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A certain amount of responsibility rests on Judd's shoulders. He signed the contract. He knew it was a grey area but he was happy to take Visy's money. To whine now is a bit rich in my book.

Judd has every right to fight this. The contract was formally signed off by the AFL and it still has 12 months to run. Would any if us accept this if Judd came to the Dogs in 2007 and was paid 200k outside the cap to be a Smorgon Steel ambassador? Blame the AFL for spectacularly screwing up the management of this issue, not the players or the clubs for submitting these 3rd party deals to the AFL for consideration.

Adelaide is a different story altogether because they never disclosed the Tippett deal(s).

[GVGjr]

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I agree with Sedat. Once the deal has been signed off then the contract should have run it's course. Seems strange to change their mind with just 12 months to run unless something else has changed.

Going forward though a lot of these contracts will have a more vigorous process to follow and that can't be a bad thing.

[Ghost Dog]

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Judd has every right to fight this. The contract was formally signed off by the AFL and it still has 12 months to run. Would any if us accept this if Judd came to the Dogs in 2007 and was paid 200k outside the cap to be a Smorgon Steel ambassador? Blame the AFL for spectacularly screwing up the management of this issue, not the players or the clubs for submitting these 3rd party deals to the AFL for consideration.

Adelaide is a different story altogether because they never disclosed the Tippett deal(s).

The AFL want to be seen to have done something. Nothing will happen to Selwood, Judd or any of them. Tippet and those that signed him up will get a fair whack I expect. But this whole going over old contracts at other clubs is the AFL preparing for the defence from Adelaide's legal team. They need to find out how these deals were different so they can have something to defend themselves with when Adelaide rightly asks how their deal was so different from Visy.