Round 7 - Other Matches

[Sedat]

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We are in the same boat with that stat.

I was talking about us in that last paragraph.

[Twodogs]

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That would be one f the darkest days for the club. That is, they don't believe in, nor want him, but are forced to follow him because of their financial situation... Would break my heart if I was a dees member. Hopefully that doesn't happen.

It would break my heart if you became a dees member too.

[Sedat]

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Under Neeld, Melbourne has won 5 matches out of 29 and have been on the receiving end of several horrendous thumpings.

Under BMac, we have won 6 matches out of 29 and have been on the receiving end of several horrendous thumpings.

It is indisputable that we have far more talent on our list than Melbourne has had in the last 18 months, yet the results don't reflect this at all. Neeld has been put on the blowtorch pretty much from his first competitive match in charge when they were smashed by Brisbane at the MCG, yet BMac has been given an armchair ride from the media despite winning 1 out of the last 18 H&A matches he has been in charge of, with most of those losses being by huge margins.

When Neeld is sacked (and it will be sooner rather than later), it will be very interesting to see who the media next turn their attention to. Probably Vossy, because he is out of contract at season's end - it won't be us because we are completely invisible and irrelevant to the AFL media right now, almost bereft of any interest (which has been confirmed by our fans seeing as we got 23k to a home game against a fellow Melbourne based club). There is a blasé attitude about our current situation, from media and fans alike, that I'm not sure will continue if we are still churning out non-competitive efforts in 12 months' time.

[Maddog37]

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A bad loss to GC and a couple of Richmond game type performances will soon bring the acid onto us. Justifiably so too.

[Mantis]

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Under Neeld, Melbourne has won 5 matches out of 29 and have been on the receiving end of several horrendous thumpings.

Under BMac, we have won 6 matches out of 29 and have been on the receiving end of several horrendous thumpings.

It is indisputable that we have far more talent on our list than Melbourne has had in the last 18 months, yet the results don't reflect this at all. Neeld has been put on the blowtorch pretty much from his first competitive match in charge when they were smashed by Brisbane at the MCG, yet BMac has been given an armchair ride from the media despite winning 1 out of the last 18 H&A matches he has been in charge of, with most of those losses being by huge margins.

When Neeld is sacked (and it will be sooner rather than later), it will be very interesting to see who the media next turn their attention to. Probably Vossy, because he is out of contract at season's end - it won't be us because we are completely invisible and irrelevant to the AFL media right now, almost bereft of any interest (which has been confirmed by our fans seeing as we got 23k to a home game against a fellow Melbourne based club). There is a blasé attitude about our current situation, from media and fans alike, that I'm not sure will continue if we are still churning out non-competitive efforts in 12 months' time.

Can't really argue with any of that.

I do find it strange that we haven't been put under the blowtorch, but if we lose this week I expect that to change.

[Sedat]

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A bad loss to GC and a couple of Richmond game type performances will soon bring the acid onto us. Justifiably so too.

We've had no shortage of these performances in the last 18 matches - conservatively 2 out of every 3 losses in that time have been non-competitive thumpings. When we lose, we usually lose terribly.

[Mantis]

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We've had no shortage of these performances in the last 18 matches - conservatively 2 out of every 3 losses in that time have been non-competitive thumpings. When we lose, we usually lose terribly.

From our last 17 losses the margins fall into the following category:

1-30 points - 3
31-60 points - 6
61+ points - 8

Compare that to Melbourne:

1-30 - 5
31-60 - 4
61+ - 8

[wimberga]

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From our last 17 losses the margins fall into the following category:

1-30 points - 3
31-60 points - 6
61+ points - 8

Compare that to Melbourne:

1-30 - 5
31-60 - 4
61+ - 8

I see what you guys are saying in that our recent record is very comparable to Melbourne and agree with that.

The difference in my eyes (and in the media) is that we have played well in recent years and actually been to the top. When you have been as high as we were, and then said 2 years ago its the beginning of a rebuild or "refresh", I and the media generally understand. We have also shown more ability in some games than melbourne has ever shown recently.

This is the reason that BMac gets less attention, because it generally looks like a rebuild. Melbourne on the other hand, appear to have gone nowhere for the last 5+ years. and whilst that isn't all Neelds fault, that is the reason that the media is infatuated with Melbourne. The media (and me) think that Melbourne NEED someone in there to change the culture, to shake things up and get them performing. With us, they (and me) think we just need time.

All of that said, I do agree that a loss to GC would see a larger media focus on us but you can see where we are going.

[Bornadog]

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From our last 17 losses the margins fall into the following category:

1-30 points - 3
31-60 points - 6
61+ points - 8

Compare that to Melbourne:

1-30 - 5
31-60 - 4
61+ - 8

Almost exactly the same.

We really need to start putting some wins together but I just can't see it happening.

I am still worried about our weekly selection policy and mistakes by the MC.

* Austin is not a full forward or second ruck, or KPP in the backline.
* No second ruck last week against WC
* Grant I believe better than Vez, Austin, Howard yet can't crack a game.
* Talia and Roberts should have been played from round one (ok Roberts injured, but Talia should have been). Roberts must play this week.
* Tutt is no forward pocket or HFF, why stick him there then can't get a kick and will now be dropped.

Just some I can think of.

[Mofra]

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Seven Melbourne players didn't lay a tackle.
Our blokes( most) have a dip, but unfortunately some have glaring weaknesses.

I actually think we're the opposite to Melbourne in some ways.

They have real quality at both ends of the ground, but Jones is the only mid who would be playing regularly in other sides in the competition (arguably, Viney would play in alot but is developing).

They have little in the way of ruck stocks although I think Gawn will be good in time.

We have plenty of toughness (exactly what Melbourne lack) but really lack quality at both ends of the ground, although Jones & Roughy are playing much better this year than last.

[The Pie Man]

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It seems we both (Melb & WB) get killed on the spread - playing the G more often will highlight this issue more for the Dees. Watching us play in Perth is painful

Watching the first quarter last night, it seemed that either a) they thought a win was a fait accompli (which I struggle to believe) or b) they're just not interested in playing under Neeld. Half an hour bereft of any pressure or intensity. They were horrendous. GC should've been 8 goals up.

We've copped similar beltings, but we usually seem up for the fight....a least looking at the contested possession stats anyway *sigh*

Macca also seems to have guys like Mark Robinson in his pocket - and I've pointed out previously that the bar has been set pretty low for us this year anyway. Still staggered at that. I never expected finals over the summer, but I'd never expect to hear we're accepting potentially getting belted like we did in the pre-season.

[bulldogtragic]

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Reading this thread makes you wonder why we haven't had the acid put on us. By the stats alone, we deserve to be.

[lemmon]

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A lot of it has to do with how they've treated the lists as well, Neeld was going to live or die by his selections of Dawes, Byrnes, Rodan and Pedersen while we at least appear to be getting some development from within through Libba, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Roughy and Jones

[Mantis]

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One thing that B-Mac spoke about in his after match presser on Saturday was that over our recent horror stretch of results we haven't played any of the other dud teams which means we haven't been able to test ourselves against a more suited opponent... Well that changes over the next 3 weeks.. and than after the bye so hopefully we perform well in these games.

[bulldogtragic]

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One thing that B-Mac spoke about in his after match presser on Saturday was that over our recent horror stretch of results we haven't played any of the other dud teams which means we haven't been able to test ourselves against a more suited opponent... Well that changes over the next 3 weeks.. and than after the bye so hopefully we perform well in these games.

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