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  • Remi Moses
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 14785

    #31
    Re: Milne Charged

    Originally posted by westdog54
    I have no doubt it was inadequately investigated, the whole thing stank to high heaven back then and still does.

    Just not sure what you meant by it 'saying something'.
    Just found the investigation involving someone who held a position at Stkilda as strange to be honest . I think everyone would assume there might be a conflict on interest.
    Anyway lets hope justice prevails.

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    • westdog54
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6686

      #32
      Re: Milne Charged

      Originally posted by Remi Moses
      Just found the investigation involving someone who held a position at Stkilda as strange to be honest . I think everyone would assume there might be a conflict on interest.
      Anyway lets hope justice prevails.
      In fairness to the best of my knowledge the investigator wasn't a StKilda person, but a person of much higher rank in the same building as him (i.e. not his direct boss) was the one applying the pressure. It doesn't make it right, but saying that the investigation involved 'someone who held a position at StKilda' isn't entirely accurate.

      I stand by my comments on Lovett as well.

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14950

        #33
        Re: Milne Charged

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        Lovett has hit social media and attacked St Kilda for double standards.
        Lovett went through about 5 chances over that pre-season, missed training sessions, and when he was in trouble with the police he failed to inform the club.

        I have no sympathy for Lovett. At all.

        That's before you consider he was acquitted because the alleged victim was drunk and therefore an unreliable witness.
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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66703

          #34
          Re: Milne Charged

          Milne out indefinitely
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          • Go_Dogs
            Hall of Fame
            • Jan 2007
            • 10152

            #35
            Re: Milne Charged

            Originally posted by bornadog
            Seems like a wise position to take. Watch this space I guess.
            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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            • Remi Moses
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 14785

              #36
              Re: Milne Charged

              Originally posted by westdog54
              In fairness to the best of my knowledge the investigator wasn't a StKilda person, but a person of much higher rank in the same building as him (i.e. not his direct boss) was the one applying the pressure. It doesn't make it right, but saying that the investigation involved 'someone who held a position at StKilda' isn't entirely accurate.

              I stand by my comments on Lovett as well.
              I'd read where someone held a position at Stkilda( think it was a trainer)
              Basically it's poor form putting pressure on the investigation.Lovett and Gram had been given plenty of rope, so no issue there.
              Think the AFL put some pressure on for Milne not to play.

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34289

                #37
                Re: Milne Charged

                You would have thought Del Santo and Riewoldt would have checked with the club before telling the media Milne should play this week...
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • jeemak
                  Bulldog Legend
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 21825

                  #38
                  Re: Milne Charged

                  Originally posted by Remi Moses
                  I'd read where someone held a position at Stkilda( think it was a trainer)
                  Basically it's poor form putting pressure on the investigation.Lovett and Gram had been given plenty of rope, so no issue there.
                  Think the AFL put some pressure on for Milne not to play.
                  Rem, I believe somebody who held a position as a part time but senior trainer at St Kilda also held a reasonably senior position at the investigating jurisdiction, and it was accused of that person by the original investigators that evidence went missing and undue influence over the course of the case came about as a result of that persons' interference.

                  It should be noted the 2IC of VicPol today stated it should be recognised the investigation was conducted poorly on many levels, including the input of the original investigators.

                  Like Mof, I have little sympathy for Lovett. I also have very little understanding of why anyone would be monitoring his social media output.
                  TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13235

                    #39
                    Re: Milne Charged

                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                    You would have thought Del Santo and Riewoldt would have checked with the club before telling the media Milne should play this week...
                    I thought that was pretty poor for Riewoldt to get on the front foot like that. He really showed no sympathy to the alleged victim or her family either. I thought it was in bad taste and showed just how outer space some mentalities are. Poor form Roo - cringe worthy media work actually.
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • Ghost Dog
                      WOOF Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 9404

                      #40
                      Re: Milne Charged

                      Originally posted by 1eyedog
                      I thought that was pretty poor for Riewoldt to get on the front foot like that. He really showed no sympathy to the alleged victim or her family either. I thought it was in bad taste and showed just how outer space some mentalities are. Poor form Roo - cringe worthy media work actually.
                      I don't know what to think. But innocent until proven guilty I would have suspected is the way to go. It's his work, so should be allowed to continue until found guilty. Is this wrong?
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                      • AndrewP6
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 8142

                        #41
                        Re: Milne Charged

                        Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                        I don't know what to think. But innocent until proven guilty I would have suspected is the way to go. It's his work, so should be allowed to continue until found guilty. Is this wrong?
                        No, I don't think so. The hysteria over this, when he hasn't been found guilty of anything, is ridiculous.
                        [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                        • 1eyedog
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13235

                          #42
                          Re: Milne Charged

                          Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                          I don't know what to think. But innocent until proven guilty I would have suspected is the way to go. It's his work, so should be allowed to continue until found guilty. Is this wrong?
                          No probably not, It's all weird, the alleged cover up and I'm thinking the worse of Milne, I can't help it. Listening to too much John faine in the morning I suppose.
                          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                          • 1eyedog
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 13235

                            #43
                            Re: Milne Charged

                            Originally posted by AndrewP6
                            No, I don't think so. The hysteria over this, when he hasn't been found guilty of anything, is ridiculous.
                            It is a very, very, VERY serious allegation.
                            But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34289

                              #44
                              Re: Milne Charged

                              Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                              I don't know what to think. But innocent until proven guilty I would have suspected is the way to go. It's his work, so should be allowed to continue until found guilty. Is this wrong?
                              I think you must look further. The charges are of the most serious of nature. Not damage, assault, drunkeness, theft. But rape. Sure innocent until proven otherwise, but the gravity of the allegations are such that there needs to be a more wholistic approach and thinking here.

                              From my past life, I've known many police officers who have been suspended without pay and all were found not guilty. Craig Thompson got dis endorsed for less and will lose his spot in parliament. In my current life I have had reason advise employers regarding suspending employees over certain behaviour. He is still listed, still getting paid. So he has to sit out for a while. So be it.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • AndrewP6
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 8142

                                #45
                                Re: Milne Charged

                                Originally posted by 1eyedog
                                It is a very, very, VERY serious allegation.
                                Yes, but that's it - it is an allegation. There are many who have the verdict sewn up already. People need to let the legal processes take place.
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