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  • Happy Days
    Hall of Fame
    • May 2008
    • 10053

    Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

    Originally posted by Scorlibo
    What good half-back doesn't give their lesser skilled teammates the option to handball? Bob Murphy has been doing this for years, and to good effect.

    Club champion awards have to mean something, don't they? Usually the stat haters love the best and fairest. Lids has won 2 in bottom 8 teams. Richmond have been too often travelling uphill to have downhill skiers win best and fairests.
    Do you honestly think that being a good HBF should be Deledio's ceiling given his talent level?
    - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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    • Scorlibo
      Coaching Staff
      • Oct 2007
      • 3073

      Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

      Originally posted by Happy Days
      Do you honestly think that being a good HBF should be Deledio's ceiling given his talent level?
      I don't think that's the argument.
      'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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      • Topdog
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 7471

        Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

        Originally posted by Scorlibo
        I don't think that's the argument.
        Well it is to a large extent, that and also that he can't stop his man as a HBF.

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        • Remi Moses
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 14785

          Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

          Originally posted by Sedat
          I see in Deledio a player who can be devastating when given latitude, but whenever any serious defensive work is put into him he has caved in time and again throughout his career. September is not the place for players who struggle with defensive pressure and a lack of time and space.
          I always envisage the number Picken always did on Deledio a few years ago.
          Funny people comparing Griffen to him, and many a few years ago had him ahead of Griff.
          Griffen's gone miles ahead, plays well in the middle in a poor team where as Deledio plays that soft easy half back role.

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          • always right
            WOOF Member
            • Nov 2007
            • 4189

            Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

            Originally posted by Scorlibo
            What good half-back doesn't give their lesser skilled teammates the option to handball? Bob Murphy has been doing this for years, and to good effect.

            Club champion awards have to mean something, don't they? Usually the stat haters love the best and fairest. Lids has won 2 in bottom 8 teams. Richmond have been too often travelling uphill to have downhill skiers win best and fairests.
            Gifted player but poor defensively and too easily tagged out of a game. This is the area Griff has improved markedly in over the last two years. As for the Murphy comparison, you're right but I think Murph has shown a better ability to overcome tight tags.
            I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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            • Greystache
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Dec 2009
              • 9775

              Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

              Originally posted by always right
              Gifted player but poor defensively and too easily tagged out of a game. This is the area Griff has improved markedly in over the last two years. As for the Murphy comparison, you're right but I think Murph has shown a better ability to overcome tight tags.
              And despite the love Bulldog supporters hold for Murphy, he's not a match winner, merely icing.
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              • Happy Days
                Hall of Fame
                • May 2008
                • 10053

                Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                Originally posted by Greystache
                And despite the love Bulldog supporters hold for Murphy, he's not a match winner, merely icing.
                Murphy can defend too, Jared Petrenko is still in tears and hasn't left his room after the job Bob did on him.
                - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                • Greystache
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 9775

                  Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                  Originally posted by Happy Days
                  Murphy can defend too, Jared Petrenko is still in tears and hasn't left his room after the job Bob did on him.
                  Murphy has his moments defensively. He does get exposed from time to time, but it's not hard to be better defensively than Deledio (or even in a contested situation) and Murphy certainly is.
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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13165

                    Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                    Originally posted by Greystache
                    And despite the love Bulldog supporters hold for Murphy, he's not a match winner, merely icing.
                    Hmmm. I remember watching Bob play forward a few years ago and kick multiple goals in minutes. He could turn a game pretty quickly if he was on.

                    Times have changed though.
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • always right
                      WOOF Member
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 4189

                      Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                      As a forward he's a match winner.
                      As a defender he sets up for the matchwinners.

                      The thing about Murph is that he is a beacon when things aren't always going well for the team. Sure he makes some mistakes but is there a player you enjoy watching more than Murph when he's under pressure?
                      I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                      • Greystache
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 9775

                        Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                        Originally posted by 1eyedog
                        Hmmm. I remember watching Bob play forward a few years ago and kick multiple goals in minutes. He could turn a game pretty quickly if he was on.
                        Originally posted by always right
                        As a forward he's a match winner.
                        As a defender he sets up for the matchwinners.
                        And Deledio can't play as a forward because he can't cope with an opponent, so ergo he's just icing for the actual match winners. Which brings us back to the start, Deledio is the player you don't want when things get tough.
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                        • Eastdog
                          WOOF Communtiy Organiser
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 18183

                          Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                          Semi Finals

                          Friday 16th September 2013

                          Geelong V Port Adelaide MCG

                          Winner to play Hawthorn at the MCG in Prelim Final


                          Saturday 17th September 2013

                          Sydney V Carlton ANZ Stadium

                          Winner to play Fremantle at Patersons Satdium in Prelim Final
                          Last edited by Eastdog; 12-09-2013, 07:17 PM.
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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 65805

                            Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                            Originally posted by Eastdog
                            Semi Finals

                            Friday 16th September 2013

                            Geelong V Port Adelaide MCG

                            Winner to play Hawthorn at the MCG in Prelim Final


                            Saturday 17th September 2013

                            Sydney V Carlton ANZ Stadium

                            Winner to play Fremantle at Subiaco Oval in Prelim Final
                            I bet Hawks will be barracking for Port
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                            • Eastdog
                              WOOF Communtiy Organiser
                              • Feb 2012
                              • 18183

                              Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              I bet Hawks will be barracking for Port
                              I'm sure they will be. I reckon the Cats will win and based of past matches they would be favourites to win unless Hawthorn can break the curse.
                              "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 65805

                                Re: 2013 AFL Finals Series

                                Originally posted by Eastdog
                                I'm sure they will be. I reckon the Cats will win and based of past matches they would be favourites to win unless Hawthorn can break the curse.
                                Wouldn't that be nice, Geelong beat the Hawks after they only lost three games for the season.
                                FFC: Established 1883

                                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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