Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

[mjp]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

The Boyd contract is great for us. The article is right though-it has a massive flow on effect 'potential'. Whately wrote last week about how much someone *should* offer Cameron, this article talks about Hawkins, Kennedy will be in the same boat...big, key forwards can only be found at the very top of the draft and are worth mega bucks. Remember, Brisbane started all this with the 10-year offer to dunstall way, way, way back (lynch got the contract when dunstall stayed at the Hawks). What was astronomical in year 1 was a bargain in year 7 as the Lions romped to 3 flags with a dirt cheap key forward patrolling the goal square.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

Traditionally the salary cap grows at between 3% and 4% per annum. The 2015 Salary cap exceeded $10M for the first time at $10,120,000. Assuming the salary cap grows at 4%, by 2018 it will be $11.38M, and by 2021 (Boyds final contracted year) the salary cap will be approx $12.8M. We have locked in certainty over that time.

Im also not 100% certain (based on Garlicks comments) that the figure is $1M per year (averaged), I think it will be around the $800k mark.

Year TB Earnings Salary Cap % of Salary Cap
2015 200,000 10,120,000 1.97%
2016 1,800,000 10,524,800 17.10%
2017 800,000 10,945,792 7.31%
2018 800,000 11,383,623.68 7.03%
2019 800,000 11,838,968.63 6.76%
2020 800,000 12,312,527.37 6.49%
2021 800,000 12,805,028.47 6.25%

This does not account for any contractual mechanisms that we may or may not have in place to further mitigate our risk such as: performance KPI's, injury clauses etc

[LostDoggy]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

I still think there is a "know your place" mentality with some in the football fraternity.
They keep labouring the point on how we're going to renumerate our young guns.
I'm pretty sure without being a fly on the wall that was the first point made on the white board.
Of course it's high risk ( bleeding obvious) but it's a futures market we're investing in, and the silly comparison to the Franklin contract
The Buddy purchase is a massive win for Sydney in more ways than footy, and of course he isn't going to fulfil his contract.

Every time they bring up the Buddy contract I think of a lunch in August I went to with Bobby Skilton present. He spoke about how furious he was when they signed Buddy. He contacted the club and let them know he thought it was utter madness, that they were selling out the club for such a massive amount over a long time. By the start of the season, he still held true to his position — then he was shown the membership figures, increased revenue, etc. He started to come around. By August, at this lunch? He said it was one of the canniest moves Sydney ever made.

I think/hope that our situation will be the same. In a few years' time, nobody except Robinson is going to be stupid and/or petty enough to be harping on about a million dollars when young Boyd is ripping defenders new arseholes.

I can't help but think if it was Hawthorn or Geelong that made this deal happen the media would be lauding them for being ahead of the rest of the competition, and further proof of why they're a powerhouse club.

But they're "special".

[Mofra]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

Every time they bring up the Buddy contract I think of a lunch in August I went to with Bobby Skilton present. He spoke about how furious he was when they signed Buddy. He contacted the club and let them know he thought it was utter madness, that they were selling out the club for such a massive amount over a long time. By the start of the season, he still held true to his position — then he was shown the membership figures, increased revenue, etc. He started to come around. By August, at this lunch? He said it was one of the canniest moves Sydney ever made.

That is Sydney, in their window.

Now consider the Bulldogs - much closer to the bottom, losing the Captain and the Coach - and all the talk has been about Tom Boyd.
Our membership department must have been doing cartwheels when the contract was signed. Tom Boyd is worth so much to us in membership sales this year it isn't funny, and this is before we consider how difficult it would be for us to get to 95% of the cap in the next year or two.

[Sedat]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

Sydney needs to win at least 1 flag for the Buddy deal to be a success. Their best possible chance was this year - with no trading in of any players allowed for the next 2 years and with quality personnel and good depth players lost in that time, they will have to draft out of their skins to get another bite at the cherry while Buddy, Kennedy and others are still at or near their peak. From a list management perspective, retaining Goodes and losing Malceski this year was complete madness.

[wimberga]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

Sydney needs to win at least 1 flag for the Buddy deal to be a success. Their best possible chance was this year - with no trading in of any players allowed for the next 2 years and with quality personnel and good depth players lost in that time, they will have to draft out of their skins to get another bite at the cherry while Buddy, Kennedy and others are still at or near their peak. From a list management perspective, retaining Goodes and losing Malceski this year was complete madness.

Getting two under 18 top-5 talents this year and next will certainly help.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

Surely Tom's contract is Front ended (or however you say it).

He Soaks up a lot of salary cap expenditure early, then it tapers off as the other players contracts come up for renewal.

I would have thought that was pretty basic.

[LostDoggy]

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I didn't realise the Swans were hit for trading in for 2 years. Ouch.

The 'just offer them' theory will take care of itself. If there's a cap only increased by CPI (which there currently is) then there's only a certain extent a single/or couple of players salaries can be pushed to until it has a detrimental impact on the rest of the playing squad composition. This will self-correct, but teams, including ours, will continue to be raided. It's going to be part and parcel of the game.

[boydogs]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

Sydney needs to win at least 1 flag for the Buddy deal to be a success. Their best possible chance was this year - with no trading in of any players allowed for the next 2 years and with quality personnel and good depth players lost in that time, they will have to draft out of their skins to get another bite at the cherry while Buddy, Kennedy and others are still at or near their peak. From a list management perspective, retaining Goodes and losing Malceski this year was complete madness.

Getting two under 18 top-5 talents this year and next will certainly help.

Yeah their academy will keep them going just fine

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Dogs throw pigeon among the Cats with Tom Boyd

The Boyd contract is great for us. The article is right though-it has a massive flow on effect 'potential'. Whately wrote last week about how much someone *should* offer Cameron, this article talks about Hawkins, Kennedy will be in the same boat...big, key forwards can only be found at the very top of the draft and are worth mega bucks. Remember, Brisbane started all this with the 10-year offer to dunstall way, way, way back (lynch got the contract when dunstall stayed at the Hawks). What was astronomical in year 1 was a bargain in year 7 as the Lions romped to 3 flags with a dirt cheap key forward patrolling the goal square.

Off topic but young Boyd has many similarities to Lynch in the way he moves.
Remember the massive lift drafting Barry Hall gave our club? We were a bunch of pushovers up until that point. He made everyone stand a bit taller and we had someone to fear.