Three Things I've Learned 2015 - Round 2 Edition

[jazzadogs]

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Did you notice a few times Boyd punch the ball to the ground instead of going for the mark? A Hawks mate mentioned he noticed this trend with some of the resting ruck,am at Hawthorn. None of them were going for marks just getting the ball to ground to feed the little blokes.

Absolutely. He knows his role and he is playing it well. As others have said, he could have finished with three goals if advantage hadn't been paid. He was being scragged, held, knocked around but still made a contest every time.
Rance got a lot of the ball, but there weren't many occasions where a long kick to our forward line equalled anything other than a contest and ball to ground.

The best thing is that we did continue to try to hit players on the lead. JJ's hit up of Dickson for his third goal was more composed than I expected, and there are other examples (Bont to Wallis for one).

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Rance was mainly on Stringer when he did all of his damage, not Boyd.

[LostDoggy]

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Anyone notice that Toyd does not ever lead? Like ever!

He is always gesturing to have the ball kicked long for him in the square. Is this a gameplay, to drag away opp defenders and open up space for other forwards to lead into, or is it something he needs to work on?

[Bornadog]

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Anyone notice that Toyd does not ever lead? Like ever!

He is always gesturing to have the ball kicked long for him in the square. Is this a gameplay, to drag away opp defenders and open up space for other forwards to lead into, or is it something he needs to work on?

Yes I have noticed that too. He needs to learn to lead, this isn't the under 16 where he is the tallest of all the juniors and he can just stick his hands up in the air and clunk it. He can learn a bit from both Riewoldts, unless as you say its part of the gameplan to just bring the ball to ground.

[turtle]

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1. Quality players with that are one way runners are actually a massive liability (Cooney, Higgins, Carlton & Collingwood midfields)
2. We need to work on Stringers set shots. (Im sure at in his draft year he we THE BEST shot at the combine testing) He could win the Coleman if he gets that right.
3. Alex Rance would fast track us by 2 yrs

[Maddog37]

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Yes I have noticed that too. He needs to learn to lead, this isn't the under 16 where he is the tallest of all the juniors and he can just stick his hands up in the air and clunk it. He can learn a bit from both Riewoldts, unless as you say its part of the gameplan to just bring the ball to ground.

He is a very smart kid so you would expect it is an instruction. It helps us attack the top of the square and if he draws a crowd it creates space for guys to lead in front of him.

[Mofra]

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Did you notice a few times Boyd punch the ball to the ground instead of going for the mark? A Hawks mate mentioned he noticed this trend with some of the resting ruck,am at Hawthorn. None of them were going for marks just getting the ball to ground to feed the little blokes.

I noticed this - I was sitting next to a Richmond supporting friend and noted that in previous years Rance would have managed many more marks than he did on Saturday.
All of our F50 players bar Cordy are decent crumbers, our F50 tackle pressure is sky high and we're no longer getting outmarked in the F50 on the back of the efforts of a 19 year old 200cm player who is still very raw. I'm satisfied enough.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Anyone else notice the free kick stats?

30 to 13 in Richmond's favour, yet no one is really complaining!

I think a lot of this is due to the pressure we are applying, and also because we are almost happy to concede a free kick in some areas if it means that the opposition player will have to get up and get behind the mark to continue play. This gives us more time to setup and recover. Interesting to see if this trend continues.

[always right]

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Anyone else notice the free kick stats?

30 to 13 in Richmond's favour, yet no one is really complaining!

I think a lot of this is due to the pressure we are applying, and also because we are almost happy to concede a free kick in some areas if it means that the opposition player will have to get up and get behind the mark to continue play. This gives us more time to setup and recover. Interesting to see if this trend continues.

And the number didn't include the howler by McInerney(who else?) when he didn't pay Jong's mark.

[Mofra]

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30 to 13 in Richmond's favour, yet no one is really complaining!

A few of those were soft frees in the ruck contest.
The two biggest blokes going at it in a test of strength to put the ball to advantage. I really believe if there's one area of the game where leniency has to be applied and only the most obvious ones paid, it's in the ruck contest.

[Happy Days]

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To be honest with the game style we're playing we're going to lose the free kick count most weeks.

[F'scary]

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To be honest with the game style we're playing we're going to lose the free kick count most weeks.

Jackson Macrae got pinged for high tackles two or three times, he may need to improve his tackling technique, come in a bit lower or finesse more. But this is not to take away from the fact that the umpiring unilaterally disadvantaged us.

[Cyberdoggie]

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I agree there were a few there, there always is, the opposition would say the same no doubt, but I guess the point is that at 30 to 13, this is more than just a few missed here and there.

I guess my point is that if you lay a correct tackle, how often will you get rewarded for that? and how often is the opposition player likely to get the ball straight out to a team mate?, and when he does, your player is still on the ground in the tackle, unable to chase.

Alternatively if you give a free kick away, the play stops briefly, the player has to get up off the ground and get back behind his mark. This buys you time, time for others to move into position, blocking the spaces that were open a few seconds before hand.

This also disturbs the oppositions rhythm and run, forcing them to continually kick from stationary to a contest, and allows us to prepare for a counter attack.

[bulldogtragic]

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Cordy had a net differential of 3 frees against (3-0). Not helpful.

[Go_Dogs]

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Anyone else notice the free kick stats?

30 to 13 in Richmond's favour, yet no one is really complaining!

I think a lot of this is due to the pressure we are applying, and also because we are almost happy to concede a free kick in some areas if it means that the opposition player will have to get up and get behind the mark to continue play. This gives us more time to setup and recover. Interesting to see if this trend continues.

I had a whinge in the game day thread!