We still love you Clay.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Seems to be some suggestion that Riewoldt said something to/about Clay, hence Stringer and co's reaction. If there's any truth to this, I hope it comes out in the open so that Riewoldt is publicly disgraced.

[Missing-Dog]

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Seems to be some suggestion that Riewoldt said something to/about Clay, hence Stringer and co's reaction. If there's any truth to this, I hope it comes out in the open so that Riewoldt is publicly disgraced.

Nick Riewoldt is all "CLARSE"

[Mantis]

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Reported this morning that Clay did his knee again during the first incident and as he still had a full range of movements he asked to go back on.

The first incident happened right in front of me and I beg the question how much influence did the 2 players around him (Murf + 1 other) have on the incident? The reason I ask is that as Clay marked the ball his team-mates told him to stop as they could see nothing was on downfield. I think he stopped more suddenly then he needed to due to his momentum and in doing so his knee buckled.. If his team-mates hadn't had told him to stop I wonder if the end result would be the same?

[Sedat]

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Reported this morning that Clay did his knee again during the first incident and as he still had a full range of movements he asked to go back on.

I don't want to cast aspersions on our medical staff, but once an ACL is torn you lose all your twisting and turning ranges of motion. Straight line running and sprinting, jumping and other movements are fine, but once you change direction suddenly, you will fall down in a heap.

[Mofra]

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The first incident happened right in front of me and I beg the question how much influence did the 2 players around him (Murf + 1 other) have on the incident? The reason I ask is that as Clay marked the ball his team-mates told him to stop as they could see nothing was on downfield. I think he stopped more suddenly then he needed to due to his momentum and in doing so his knee buckled.. If his team-mates hadn't had told him to stop I wonder if the end result would be the same?

Moot point perhaps - it's a movement he would have mimicked on the football field a numbers of times in coming games so if he lasted 1, 3, 10 more games it still would have occurred.

Really gutted for the guy - I hope we give him another chance.

[Mantis]

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I don't want to cast aspersions on our medical staff, but once an ACL is torn you lose all your twisting and turning ranges of motion. Straight line running and sprinting, jumping and other movements are fine, but once you change direction suddenly, you will fall down in a heap.

It was the graft that went so I'm not sure if its the same??.. When he returned to the boundary after the initial inspection he did some testing along the boundary line and seemed fine.. Testing included pushing off each leg, twisting, etc..

Medical staff knew he needed further surgery, but I guess why Clay felt he was still able to contribute he wanted to get back out there as he knew this was his last game for a fair while.

[dadsgirl16]

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Poor bugger...its his birthday today.. REALLY hope he makes it back

[Sedat]

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It was the graft that went so I'm not sure if its the same??.. When he returned to the boundary after the initial inspection he did some testing along the boundary line and seemed fine.. Testing included pushing off each leg, twisting, etc..

Medical staff knew he needed further surgery, but I guess why Clay felt he was still able to contribute he wanted to get back out there as he knew this was his last game for a fair while.

The graft is essentially the replacement ACL. I mentioned this in the club statement thread, but strong quads and VMO's will protect the knee and allow some minimal range of motion to twisting and turning. But as soon as there is a quick movement made in a twisting or turning motion when you are bearing weight on the injured knee in question, you will fall in a heap.

It sounds like Clay was desperate to try and contribute for the team on the day knowing that he was out of commission for another extended period, and our medicos gave him the go-ahead to do so on the understanding that no further damage could be done. If that is what happened, it shows Clay to be a pretty special person.

[LostDoggy]

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I read that medical report and found it concerning. Gutsy by the guy but it sounds like a risky situation no matter how much they are saying it wasn't.

He ruptured the graft, so he had no ACL, but going back on the park was very little risk of doing more damage? Not sure that seems realistic, if the ACL is gone then the range of movement required for AFL football would be severely compromised and the possibility for other ligament and meniscus damage surely heightened.

I mentioned when he was first picked that I was concerned it was too early, I think this was a problem, he shouldn't have come back to AFL until mid season and probably wouldn't have if not for Libba and Wallis injuries. I was told the graft is known to be fully settled at 12 months.
I love the club and love the guy and I'm no medico, I have had one myself but there is probably much I don't understand.

[SonofScray]

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Still feeling really flat about this injury. It's just cruel. I read the club statement and just felt ill knowing that the price he has paid for giving the fans his absolute best has been too high. Hard as nails, deserves better and has shown himself to be a Bulldog through and through.

[josie]

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I cried.

Just heartbroken for Clay and wishing him all the best and some luck. The game was secondary to me from that point, I feel it might have been for the rest of the boys too.

I had similar reaction and thoughts ....

[LostDoggy]

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I am trying to convince the missus to let me take the year off and start a "Let's Get Clay Through Rehab" Cheer Squad. We could park outside the doctor's office, sit beside the pool, hold up banners at training, etc. just urging him to have a third crack at it.

[always right]

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I questioned the decision for Smith to be allowed back on the ground but I've now come to the view that if the player's association are satisfied with the club's response, then so am I. Their recent form suggests that if there was anything untoward they would be screaming blue murder.

[SonofScray]

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I questioned the decision for Smith to be allowed back on the ground but I've now come to the view that if the player's association are satisfied with the club's response, then so am I. Their recent form suggests that if there was anything untoward they would be screaming blue murder.

Agree. It happens in my field a lot, you make decisions on evidence based practice, consumer feedback, risk assessment and measure it against things like choice, duty of care, dignity of risk etc. When something goes awry, people outside that process struggle with it because they only see the outcome, not the whole process. It ends up failing "the herald sun" test.

[always right]

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Agree. It happens in my field a lot, you make decisions on evidence based practice, consumer feedback, risk assessment and measure it against things like choice, duty of care, dignity of risk etc. When something goes awry, people outside that process struggle with it because they only see the outcome, not the whole process. It ends up failing "the herald sun" test.

To be fair this is more Caro Wilson territory. Sniffing controversy is her specialty.