Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

    Originally posted by Sedat
    He would most likely have gotten a week for it last year but the changes in tripping laws in 2015 will most likely see him get a fine this year. I don't get all the gnashing of teeth over this - Dustin Fletcher has done something similar at least half a dozen times over his career and never got more than a week at a time. Tripping by foot happens at least a handful of times every season and it is never referred to as kicking, nor it is ever given serious treatment.

    The Paul Dear incident on Fozzie was far worse, and it is folly to be using this as a direct comparison to yesterday.
    That's the rub: he won't even get a week. Nobody wants to see him miss 7 games for it but to deliberately trip like that and still possibly win a Brownlow doesn't sit right with me.

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    • Sedat
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2007
      • 11149

      Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

      Originally posted by BornAScragger
      That's the rub: he won't even get a week. Nobody wants to see him miss 7 games for it but to deliberately trip like that and still possibly win a Brownlow doesn't sit right with me.
      I hear you BAS but the rules on tripping have changed in 2015 - he might well have gotten a week in 2014 for the exact same thing.
      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27654

        Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

        Originally posted by Sedat
        I hear you BAS but the rules on tripping have changed in 2015 - he might well have gotten a week in 2014 for the exact same thing.

        That's right. I Think he would have got a week last year but will get a fine this year. Whether they are appropriate penaltys is a different argument.

        Personally I don't think they are. Any tripping offence should get at least two weeks. It's dangerous and a low act.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • G-Mo77
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Apr 2007
          • 9873

          Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

          Just a fine. Clearly player safety is irelivent now. What woild have happened to Fyfe if Stevens got a broken leg out of it? Just a fine?

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          • bulldogtragic
            The List Manager
            • Jan 2007
            • 34316

            Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

            I hope they're sending Chris Grant his brownlow. Or do we need stars of minor teams like North & Bulldogs to lose brownlows to show that stars of bigger teams shouldn't have equal treatment.

            If that was Lin Jong he'd be rubbed out. This is making me annoyed. A lot.
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            • Ozza
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Mar 2008
              • 6407

              Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

              Personally, I'm happy to see that Fyfe wasn't rubbed out for that.

              Understand the question of 'what if Stevens got a broken leg'....but he wasn't injured, and it was graded low impact. Seeing it live, Fyfe slipped and that contributed to the trip. Looks worse in slow-motion as they always do.

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              • Sedat
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2007
                • 11149

                Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                If that was Lin Jong he'd be rubbed out. This is making me annoyed. A lot.
                Not this year he wouldn't have BT.
                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                  Originally posted by Sedat
                  Not this year he wouldn't have BT.
                  I saw Waite got off too. It's getting Monty Python esq right now with what constitutes mid level force, high level force or simply a flesh wound.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 21611

                    Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                    Originally posted by Sedat
                    Not this year he wouldn't have BT.
                    Depending on how the contact was rated - low, medium or high.

                    Perhaps an argument could be made the contact was medium, I'd hate to see what high contact looks like if what Fyfe did was low contact.

                    Anyway, so be it, time to move on.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • Ozza
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 6407

                      Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                      I saw Waite got off too. It's getting Monty Python esq right now with what constitutes mid level force, high level force or simply a flesh wound.
                      Waite's was another that watching it on tv, at the time I thought there was nothing in it. Looked a bit worse on the slow mo - but really, I personally don't want to see players getting rubbed out for that.

                      I'm probably one that err's on the side of lesser punishments, as there are some ridiculous incidents resulting in suspensions. But then Yarran left crosses a bloke causing him to be dazed, bleeding and leave the field - and gets, what, 2 weeks after a plea?

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34316

                        Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                        Originally posted by Ozza
                        Waite's was another that watching it on tv, at the time I thought there was nothing in it. Looked a bit worse on the slow mo - but really, I personally don't want to see players getting rubbed out for that.

                        I'm probably one that err's on the side of lesser punishments, as there are some ridiculous incidents resulting in suspensions. But then Yarran left crosses a bloke causing him to be dazed, bleeding and leave the field - and gets, what, 2 weeks after a plea?
                        For sure. Bad for different reasons. The gradings and pleas don't work IMO. I'm still working out how Shaun McKernan didn't get 5 or more weeks a while back.
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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66199

                          Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                          Does anyone think that Riewoldt should have been reported for a careless tackle? Forget that he knocked himself out, but Bridie Smith was also concussed? What is the difference between that bump and the May one last week?
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                          • G-Mo77
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9873

                            Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                            Originally posted by Ozza
                            Personally, I'm happy to see that Fyfe wasn't rubbed out for that.

                            Understand the question of 'what if Stevens got a broken leg'....but he wasn't injured, and it was graded low impact. Seeing it live, Fyfe slipped and that contributed to the trip. Looks worse in slow-motion as they always do.
                            It's instinct to tackle it's not instinct to throw your legs out and trip someone. I've got more sympathy for those who inflicted accidental head high contact than a trip. A teamate and good friend got his leg broken in a similar way and never played after that, still has a slight limp. Again what if Stevens was injured? Would the penalty be worse? It makes mo sense to have reactive penalties. You hit someone but don't cause any damage you'll likely get off, if you do hurt them you get weeks yet the intent is there in both cases.

                            Fyfe intended to trip to stop play. He should have been rubbed out for it.

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 66199

                              Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                              Originally posted by G-Mo77
                              It's instinct to tackle it's not instinct to throw your legs out and trip someone. I've got more sympathy for those who inflicted accidental head high contact than a trip. A teamate and good friend got his leg broken in a similar way and never played after that, still has a slight limp. Again what if Stevens was injured? Would the penalty be worse? It makes mo sense to have reactive penalties. You hit someone but don't cause any damage you'll likely get off, if you do hurt them you get weeks yet the intent is there in both cases.

                              Fyfe intended to trip to stop play. He should have been rubbed out for it.
                              Couldn't agree more, I feel intentional tripping is not only dangerous but also cheating. There should have also been an auto 50 metres to stop this sort of thing.
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                              • Ozza
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 6407

                                Re: Game Day Round 7 2015 - Western Bulldogs V Fremantle

                                We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I thought the outcome was definitely influenced by Fyfe's left leg slipping from under him first and him falling awkwardly. Given the sudden loss of footing - I really don't think it was a considered action of malice.

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