Gordon, McGuire, Koch etc on Fox now

[Bornadog]

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The first topic discussed was on that of equalisation which of course Peter continued what so often is his lone fight for the numerous battler Clubs. Hopefully one day some of these other battler Clubs can start sharing the load.

Had to laugh with PG's segway into the topic where he clearly placed Ed and himself at the opposing ends of this debate saying that his biggest ever argument across his two terms as President was with Eddie on this issue of competitive balance. Ed could no longer try and play Mr Nice Guy in stating support for equalisation. As Peter put it, self interest will often rise to the top and this was no more apparent tonight with Eddie's and Pridham's views on this matter. As for Kochie, he seemed to be playing for Switzerland.

The one thing I was disappointed in the discussion they had on equalisation was the fact that no one ever brings up the main reason for the Collingwoods of the world being so rich, which are the privileges they receive from exposure to TV Free to air, Blockbusters, Friday nights, timeslots, venues they play, preferential treatment with the Fixture on who they pay and where. Kochie sort of brought it up, but Eddie always buts in and says the AFL needs Collingwood to play those time slots. As we know the more exposure the richer they get.

I would like to see one season where Collingwood plays at Kardinia Park, Launceston, no Friday nights, no ANZAC day or Queens Birthday, less games at the MCG, travel to Brisbane, GC, GWS, Perth, put games on Sunday night at 4.30, play interstate games at most of their home games and see how they cope.

And then Eddie turns around and says in order for the broadcasting rights to be bigger the AFL has to make sure Essendon and Carlton are back up and winning, Give me a break please, this is exactly why there is inequity in the whole competition. These clubs still thinking they are the AFL and the rest are just making up the numbers and thank you we will bank the money and maybe give you a few hundred here and there.

[Doc26]

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The one thing I was disappointed in the discussion they had on equalisation was the fact that no one ever brings up the main reason for the Collingwoods of the world being so rich, which are the privileges they receive from exposure to TV Free to air, Blockbusters, Friday nights, timeslots, venues they play, preferential treatment with the Fixture on who they pay and where. Kochie sort of brought it up, but Eddie always buts in and says the AFL needs Collingwood to play those time slots. As we know the more exposure the richer they get.

I would like to see one season where Collingwood plays at Kardinia Park, Launceston, no Friday nights, no ANZAC day or Queens Birthday, less games at the MCG, travel to Brisbane, GC, GWS, Perth, put games on Sunday night at 4.30, play interstate games at most of their home games and see how they cope.

And then Eddie turns around and says in order for the broadcasting rights to be bigger the AFL has to make sure Essendon and Carlton are back up and winning, Give me a break please, this is exactly why there is inequity in the whole competition. These clubs still thinking they are the AFL and the rest are just making up the numbers and thank you we will bank the money and maybe give you a few hundred here and there.

This is where and why Peter needs more support from his peers in this lopsided debate.

Our Club undoubtedly must excel in our own backyard when it comes to growing our brand, base and revenue but as Peter mentioned, Club's do not operate on similar terms to a typical business.

As you've mentioned the fixture as at stands, which is there to grow the overall revenue base, is a significant barrier to overcome in growing our brand, base and revenue particularly during times where there has been a sustained period of underwhelming on field performance which doesn't effect the higher drawing Clubs anywhere near as much as the battlers.

The opportunity to grow sustainbly the total revenue pie is surely to find means to address the reasons why matches are continuing to draw sub 20k crowds in perfect surrounds rather than invest in the next Collingwood Essendon blockbuster.

Hopefully we can start to captilise off-field on what would appear an exciting period for us with the list that is forming.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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The one thing I was disappointed in the discussion they had on equalisation was the fact that no one ever brings up the main reason for the Collingwoods of the world being so rich, which are the privileges they receive from exposure to TV Free to air, Blockbusters, Friday nights, timeslots, venues they play, preferential treatment with the Fixture on who they pay and where. Kochie sort of brought it up, but Eddie always buts in and says the AFL needs Collingwood to play those time slots. As we know the more exposure the richer they get.

I would like to see one season where Collingwood plays at Kardinia Park, Launceston, no Friday nights, no ANZAC day or Queens Birthday, less games at the MCG, travel to Brisbane, GC, GWS, Perth, put games on Sunday night at 4.30, play interstate games at most of their home games and see how they cope.

And then Eddie turns around and says in order for the broadcasting rights to be bigger the AFL has to make sure Essendon and Carlton are back up and winning, Give me a break please, this is exactly why there is inequity in the whole competition. These clubs still thinking they are the AFL and the rest are just making up the numbers and thank you we will bank the money and maybe give you a few hundred here and there.

Totally agree, this is a point that doesn't seem to get raised nearly enough. The AFL constantly gives the big clubs multiple facings and multiple rows at eye level on the supermarket shelf as well as a fancy big display at the end of the aisle. We are forced to try to sell our product with a single facing from the bottom shelf.
No matter how good our product is, it is difficult to get new customers if nobody sees it and if they are always running promotions for our competitors.

[Remi Moses]

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No need for the deputy sheriff Andrew Newbloke with Eddie being there.
I've taped it, but listening to reviews here I might hit that yellow delete button on my remote.

[Go_Dogs]

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The TV rights thing is a joke. You know what people like to watch? Exciting games of football! Close games! High scoring!

It's really irrelevant who's playing and a more even completion (what we're slowly getting to) will continue to help drive up audiences. The way to do that is to continue to build a level playing field.

[Bornadog]

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No need for the deputy sheriff Andrew Newbloke with Eddie being there.
I've taped it, but listening to reviews here I might hit that yellow delete button on my remote.

Don't delete it, its worth watching as they discuss a number of issues.

[Bornadog]

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The TV rights thing is a joke. You know what people like to watch? Exciting games of football! Close games! High scoring!

It's really irrelevant who's playing and a more even completion (what we're slowly getting to) will continue to help drive up audiences. The way to do that is to continue to build a level playing field.

This is exactly right. Most of the population that enjoy football are now use to watching the expansion clubs and what they want is a close game, with great football.

The way Eddie would like it is every Friday night Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Hawthorn play each other for the whole 22 rounds and then he can maximise the profits. There is no long term view from the AFL.

When the dogs win a premiership, we will rise as a power house because, I am confident the supporters are out there. Just look at game attendances in 2009 - we averaged more than Essendon and Saints at Etihad. Our supporters are sick and tired of not having played in a GF for so long, and they just drop off and don't attend matches.

As PG says, a good competition is when all clubs are competitive and there is an even playing field.

[Mofra]

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Do we own the ground? That is to ask, could we earn an income from hosting games with us or other teams playing?

We don't own the land - it's council land periodically renewed on long term leases.
All chattels are ours though (or shared facilities with VU)

[bulldogtragic]

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I liked PGs honesty about Wheelers sacking. 'I was 34 years old and made the best decision as I saw it. But now being older, I think if I would've done it now.'

It sounds like he's still thinking about it, which counters a view that he's a ruthless and cold hearted executioner. Honesty is so refreshing.

[WBFC4FFC]

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This is exactly right. Most of the population that enjoy football are now use to watching the expansion clubs and what they want is a close game, with great football.

The way Eddie would like it is every Friday night Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Hawthorn play each other for the whole 22 rounds and then he can maximise the profits. There is no long term view from the AFL.

When the dogs win a premiership, we will rise as a power house because, I am confident the supporters are out there. Just look at game attendances in 2009 - we averaged more than Essendon and Saints at Etihad. Our supporters are sick and tired of not having played in a GF for so long, and they just drop off and don't attend matches.

As PG says, a good competition is when all clubs are competitive and there is an even playing field.

Totally agree with this. It is a monopoly on Friday nights. People crash and put on Channel 7 knowing there is a game of footy. By having the so-called "Bigger clubs" play would make no difference to ratings but impacts the smaller clubs finances both now and in the future!

[Twodogs]

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Do we own the ground? That is to ask, could we earn an income from hosting games with us or other teams playing?

Like Mof said its a council facility but we'd take the gate as the home club. Back in the day a council employee was the ground manager. His name was Gary something and he had an office in the Gent stand where all the blue coats and stuff were kept.

[Twodogs]

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Or was it Ray?

[GVGjr]

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Peter Gordon was clearly the best performed of the 4. I was quite surprised that David Koch didn't impress. Eddie of course pushed the old theme of how Collingwood pick up the tab for the poorer clubs but it has to stop now.

I was particularly pleased with how Peter mentioned that it's great to have a salary cap but if teams can't pay 100% of it then it puts them at a huge disadvantage. He also mentioned the challenges of managing a club here when so many of the levers managers would use aren't available to clubs and in particular ours.

Good show and I gained a better understanding of the challenges the AFL face.

[mjp]

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You know what people like to watch? Exciting games of football! Close games! High scoring!

It's really irrelevant who's playing and a more even completion (what we're slowly getting to) will continue to help drive up audiences. The way to do that is to continue to build a level playing field.

Not to me. I watch Dogs games.

Once upon a time I would watch everything but not anymore. I watch Dogs games whenever they are on - and beyond that I usually watch one or two more games that might be of interest over the weekend. One will usually be a Freo game because that is who the missus wants to watch - the other will probably feature either Hawthorn or Sydney because they are on top of the ladder. Last year I used to watch Port Adelaide a lot. I watch Melbourne if they are on because Jeremy Howe will probably take a hanger in the next 15 minutes or so...if he doesn't do that, I turn it off. If we want more 'BIG' games then our ratings and attendance at our 'OTHER' games needs to go up.

High scoring? Whatever. I just want to see good footy. Close games are interesting for the last 10 minutes when the result is in question but if Brisbane were playing Gold Coast and there were continuous turnovers through the midfield and ill-disciplined set-ups I couldn't care if there were 37 lead changes I still wouldn't stick it out. Close is not necessarily good. High scoring is not necessarily good.