sliding doors

[FrediKanoute]

Re: sliding doors

If our former coach was coaching us, then our former captain would definitely be not playing for us.

Griffen decided that the situation with the coach was untenable and he was really the catalyst for the changes that occurred. While plenty of our supporters bear ill will to Griffen, he is possibly the single most influential person in the chain of circumstance that brought about the flag.

We should hold him in much better esteem for having the courage to not tolerate the situation that he had been forced into.

You can't rewrite history. Ryan left not for the benefit of the club but for his own agenda. What happened after that was a chain reaction of events. The way he went about it, the position he put the club in, the collateral damage along the way can't be airbrushed by a Premiership. I agree his leaving was a catalyst, but there was no guarantee that the catalyst would burn into a Premiership. You can't call it luck, because that under plays the impactthe people who came I have had, but the cards all fell the right way in 2016.....no thanks to Ryan

[bulldogtragic]

Re: sliding doors

You can't rewrite history. Ryan left not for the benefit of the club but for his own agenda. What happened after that was a chain reaction of events. The way he went about it, the position he put the club in, the collateral damage along the way can't be airbrushed by a Premiership. I agree his leaving was a catalyst, but there was no guarantee that the catalyst would burn into a Premiership. You can't call it luck, because that under plays the impactthe people who came I have had, but the cards all fell the right way in 2016.....no thanks to Ryan

And after he first raised his issues to Garlick he gave a guarantee he was staying and the issues were working through. Then he went on holidays and then reneged to everyone, in so refusing to come back to the club despite his contract and status. And nominating a new club for extra measure, again, despite a contract. And asking GWS not to get a quick fair deal done, but apparently letting them screw us in extracting pick 6 and something like $800,000 in payments so he didn't have a pay cut. It wasn't enough to as a captain take a pay cut after walking out under contract. If you believe the media at the time, PG didn't make his mind up until asking Stringer about younger players and Macca. Gryphone has no place in the greatness of our premiership, maybe a villain in it, but he gets nothing from me.

Back to the sliding doors question... it was if Boyd & Gryphone stayed with their teams for the 2016 prelim would we still have won? Did the trade that he and GWS aggressively pursued eventuate in their possible premiership loss? (They would've spanked Sydney again)

[chef]

Re: sliding doors

If our former coach was coaching us, then our former captain would definitely be not playing for us.

Griffen decided that the situation with the coach was untenable and he was really the catalyst for the changes that occurred. While plenty of our supporters bear ill will to Griffen, he is possibly the single most influential person in the chain of circumstance that brought about the flag.

We should hold him in much better esteem for having the courage to not tolerate the situation that he had been forced into.

Nope. We should hate him for the captain who jumped off the sinking ship first. Suffer Ryan.

[Topdog]

Re: sliding doors

I'm happy he left and suffered a prelim loss to the Bulldogs so I guess you can take that as viewing him in a positive light.

[boydogs]

Re: sliding doors

It's all hypotheticals of course but a more realistic sliding doors would be us selecting a lesser trade target, say Will-Hoskin Elliott, and keeping pick 6 - but not keeping Griffen