Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

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  • Nuggety Back Pocket
    WOOF Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 2064

    #46
    Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

    Originally posted by merantau
    I am totally against any calls to drop Dickson. He is our most reliable goal kicker. He only needs half a dozen kicks inside, or on 50, and he'll kick 4 or 5 goals. As godl kicking has been our problem all year talk of ditching Dickson is at best misplaced and, at worst, merits a visit from men in white coats bearing straight jackets and large hypodermics.
    Agree that Dickson should be retained. Dickson has suffered from the loss of Crameri and the fact that Stringer hasn't performed as well as last year. Dahlhaus also being out just adds to a lack of support on the forward line.

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    • always right
      WOOF Member
      • Nov 2007
      • 4189

      #47
      Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

      Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
      I believe that Stringer needs to be played more in attack where his real value was last year. With Crameri and Dickson struggling we simply do not have enough avenues to goal with our meagre 5 goals against the Cats, Redpath was the only regular forward to kick a goal. Wood has been sorely missed and I would be tempted to bring JJ straight back. We have badly missed the run of Murphy and JJ from half back. I would think that Dunkley and Honeychurch should miss. It might be time to bring Tom Boyd back as another marking forward. With Wood and JJ's possible return it would leave the door open to move Suckling to a wing where his prodigious kicking would provide more penetration going forward. I hope Webb gets his opportunity soon given his consistency with Footscray in the VFL.
      I've said on a few occasions Stringer needs to play more as a high half forward where he can find more space. This will never be truer than this week at the SCG where he can push into the midfield and then kick goals from the 50. The last place I want to see him is lurking around the full forward line.
      I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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      • Mantis
        Hall of Fame
        • Apr 2007
        • 15476

        #48
        Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

        Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
        Agree that Dickson should be retained. Dickson has suffered from the loss of Crameri and the fact that Stringer hasn't performed as well as last year. Dahlhaus also being out just adds to a lack of support on the forward line.
        But doesn't the repsonsibility of Dickson's performance sit with him? His job has been made harder, but it's really up to him to stand up and play his part... His probably still got some credits, but he needs to lift.

        And re: merantau's post - I challenge the fact that Dickson is a dead eye around the 50m arc... He certainly is vey capable from within 40m, but as soon as he creeps out his accuracy drops off.

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        • Missing Dog
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8501

          #49
          Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

          Originally posted by bornadog
          Do you think we can play Roberts, Adams, Redpath, Boyd, Campbell and Roughie in the same team?
          I get its tricky and all those guys are pretty slow (Redpath and Adams not too bad but the others not very agile) but to my mind the forward line is not working very well. Last week against Cats and week before against Port to a lesser degree we had kicks going into Dunkley as the "key forward". All I'm saying is replacing Dunkley with Boyd because he would be better at that role. That's really only 1 player change from how we've gone basically all year which doesn't make a massive difference to pace/rotations.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66857

            #50
            Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

            Originally posted by Templeton31
            I get its tricky and all those guys are pretty slow (Redpath and Adams not too bad but the others not very agile) but to my mind the forward line is not working very well. Last week against Cats and week before against Port to a lesser degree we had kicks going into Dunkley as the "key forward". All I'm saying is replacing Dunkley with Boyd because he would be better at that role. That's really only 1 player change from how we've gone basically all year which doesn't make a massive difference to pace/rotations.
            I agree, I am not sure we can have all those talls at the same time. Unless Roberts goes out, Adams takes Buddy, and Roughie rests on their resting ruckman. Boyd must come in.
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            • Nuggety Back Pocket
              WOOF Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 2064

              #51
              Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

              Originally posted by Mantis
              But doesn't the repsonsibility of Dickson's performance sit with him? His job has been made harder, but it's really up to him to stand up and play his part... His probably still got some credits, but he needs to lift.

              And re: merantau's post - I challenge the fact that Dickson is a dead eye around the 50m arc... He certainly is vey capable from within 40m, but as soon as he creeps out his accuracy drops off.
              The forward line apart from Redpath and Dahlhaus before his injury has been poor this year. Redpath was the only regular forward to kick a goal against Geelong. Dickson copped an injury earlier in the year and as a result has looked slower. He is a better player as we saw last year when Stringer and Crameri were firing.

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              • Ghost Dog
                WOOF Member
                • May 2010
                • 9404

                #52
                Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                Based on his VFL form, like to give Webb a run at half back, trial Biggs in Luke's role.
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                • The Bulldogs Bite
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 11271

                  #53
                  Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                  Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                  Based on his VFL form, like to give Webb a run at half back, trial Biggs in Luke's role.
                  That wouldn't make much sense given Webb has actually been playing mid/the Dahl role in a sense, but I definitely want Webb in this side.
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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15476

                    #54
                    Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                    Based on his VFL form, like to give Webb a run at half back, trial Biggs in Luke's role.
                    Webb has being played in the midfield at VFL level.

                    Biggs to play Dahlhaus's role? Yeah, nah.

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                    • Bulldog Joe
                      Premiership Moderator
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 5588

                      #55
                      Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      But doesn't the repsonsibility of Dickson's performance sit with him? His job has been made harder, but it's really up to him to stand up and play his part... His probably still got some credits, but he needs to lift.

                      And re: merantau's post - I challenge the fact that Dickson is a dead eye around the 50m arc... He certainly is vey capable from within 40m, but as soon as he creeps out his accuracy drops off.
                      Agree 100% on this. Dickson's range is about 40. I feel that he rarely gets the distance if he needs to kick from anywhere near the painted 50m line.
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                      • 1eyedog
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 13246

                        #56
                        Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                        Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                        Agree 100% on this. Dickson's range is about 40. I feel that he rarely gets the distance if he needs to kick from anywhere near the painted 50m line.
                        Most players are 50 / 50 at best from 50 in terms of accuracy so it matters little whether they get the distance or it is a 50 / 50 ball. I'd actually prefer the ball to drop 5 metres out rather than a 50 / 50 scenario anyway.

                        A number of different variables come into play when you run off the mark in order to achieve an extra 5 metres. Dicko's not a long kick so is no different.
                        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                        • 1eyedog
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13246

                          #57
                          Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                          Originally posted by Mantis
                          Webb has being played in the midfield at VFL level.

                          Biggs to play Dahlhaus's role? Yeah, nah.
                          Agreed. Webb in to replace Dahl with Webb in his usual role.

                          I wish we could just play Tom Boyd at full forward and stop smashing him up in the ruck. It's a jack of all trades master of none playing him in both positions during the course of a match.
                          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                          • kruder
                            Coaching Staff
                            • May 2011
                            • 3871

                            #58
                            Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                            Originally posted by 1eyedog
                            Agreed. Webb in to replace Dahl with Webb in his usual role.

                            I wish we could just play Tom Boyd at full forward and stop smashing him up in the ruck. It's a jack of all trades master of none playing him in both positions during the course of a match.
                            Yeah I agree theres definitely downside to lukes flexibility mantra which was evident on the weekend. Its a fine line but I think he has crossed over it a little. He has been playing the long game from day one but after watching GWS this year time is now.

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              #59
                              Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                              In: T.Boyd, Webb
                              Out: Roughead, Dunkley

                              With Sydney's key backs looking vulnerable, this looks a great opportunity to test a TBoyd, Redpath combo. Roughead a little stiff but he is the tall that is most expendable right now for mine.

                              Webb's surely done enough. We can really use his classy kicking through the midfield. Dunkley is going okay, but last match really exposed his rough edges. Needs some VFL time to work on composure and skill execution.

                              If Wood or JJ is ready to go, I'd rest an unlucky Roberts. With Tippett out, we can afford a smaller backline. The extra backline run needs to be a strength we work with.

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 66857

                                #60
                                Re: Match Committee - Round 15 2016 vs Sydney Swans

                                Originally posted by Templeton31
                                In: Wood Boyd
                                Out: Dunkley Williams

                                I think we need to persist with Roberts for the same reason we need to bring Big Tom in - KPPs learning their craft and yes they might not be awesome at the moment but playing games is how they get there.
                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                Do you think we can play Roberts, Adams, Redpath, Boyd, Campbell and Roughie in the same team?
                                I just checked Geelong's team from the weekend and they played:

                                Zac Smith- 206cm, Stanley 200, Hawkins 198, Blicavs 198, Lonergan 197, Henderson 196.
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