Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

[Twodogs]

OK. Before anyone slips into a hot bath and opens a vein just have a look at the names in the thread title. They are the players Geelong had available to them whereas their counterparts in our team were missing. By the time finals come around Dahlhaus, Stevens, Smith, Wood, McLean, JJ and Boyd will be available. Those guys are just as important to us as the five Geelong players I named are to them.

Take their five out and give us our five back and I bet we wouldn't let them have two more scoring shots than us and we would smash them in every stat as opposed to being lucky to win by 57 points.

Geelong were bloody lucky tonight, give us something close to a full strength team and give them a less than full strength team and let's see who is better.

[Greystache]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

Hawkins and Menzel kicked 4 straight each in a top of the table clash. Have two Bulldogs players in the past hundred years done that? Perhaps, but I wasn't around in the 1920's.

[Mantis]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

Hawkins and Menzel kicked 4 straight each in a top of the table clash. Have two Bulldogs players in the past hundred years done that? Perhaps, but I wasn't around in the 1920's.

Hawkins didn't touch the thing until the game was done.. Menzel got a few gifts as well. Pretty easy being on the end of it when it's going your way.

To the OP, the names don't match up, but no doubt we were under-strength and it showed.. We should have them all back for our clash in 6 or 7 weeks so it will be interesting to see what difference they make.

[EasternWest]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

OK. Before anyone slips into a hot bath and opens a vein just have a look at the names in the thread title. They are the players Geelong had available to them whereas their counterparts in our team were missing. By the time finals come around Dahlhaus, Stevens, Smith, Wood, McLean, JJ and Boyd will be available. Those guys are just as important to us as the five Geelong players I named are to them.

Take their five out and give us our five back and I bet we wouldn't let them have two more scoring shots than us and we would smash them in every stat as opposed to being lucky to win by 57 points.

Geelong were bloody lucky tonight, give us something close to a full strength team and give them a less than full strength team and let's see who is better.

Respectfully to the leaders absent from our side, in no way are they comparable to the Geelong players you've mentioned.

What we saw last night was a highlight in the clear class divide between our side and the best sides.

It doesn't mean it's all doom and gloom, it just means we've still a ways to go.

[chef]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

Respectfully to the leaders absent from our side, in no way are they comparable to the Geelong players you've mentioned.

JJ, Wood and Dahlhaus are comparable. Would walk into any side in the comp. These 3 leave a huge hole in our side and were sadly missed last night.

[EasternWest]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

JJ, Wood and Dahlhaus are comparable. Would walk into any side in the comp. These 3 leave a huge hole in our side and were sadly missed last night.

They're fine players and I love what they do for our club, but if I could trade them for Selwood, Dangerfield and Hawkins I'd have done it yesterday. To suggest otherwise is a fallacy.

[Mantis]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

They're fine players and I love what they do for our club, but if I could trade them for Selwood, Dangerfield and Hawkins I'd have done it yesterday. To suggest otherwise is a fallacy.

Yep. Dangerfield is the best player in the comp, Selwood is probably top 10.

Our guys (Wood, Dahl and JJ) are probably in the top 30-60.. Same as Hawkins.

[chef]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

They're fine players and I love what they do for our club, but if I could trade them for Selwood, Dangerfield and Hawkins I'd have done it yesterday. To suggest otherwise is a fallacy.

If we were talking about just Selwood and Danger i would agree. I thought we were talking about the group that is mentioned.

[SonofScray]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

The list of names are comparable in terms of their importance to their respective sides. We haven't got those blokes and subsequently have had to make significant shifts in how we play. I feel like we were down to Plan C last night. They were running on top of the ground last night against a team who has very manfully, and successfully managed a significant amount of adversity. Reverse the roles and I feel like the result gets reversed too.

[Twodogs]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

JJ, Wood and Dahlhaus are comparable. Would walk into any side in the comp. These 3 leave a huge hole in our side and were sadly missed last night.

They're fine players and I love what they do for our club, but if I could trade them for Selwood, Dangerfield and Hawkins I'd have done it yesterday. To suggest otherwise is a fallacy.

Yep. Dangerfield is the best player in the comp, Selwood is probably top 10.

Our guys (Wood, Dahl and JJ) are probably in the top 30-60.. Same as Hawkins.

If we were talking about just Selwood and Danger i would agree. I thought we were talking about the group that is mentioned.

It just goes to further my point that if those guys were out of the Geelong team we'd beat then!

The list of names are comparable in terms of their importance to their respective sides. We haven't got those blokes and subsequently have had to make significant shifts in how we play. I feel like we were down to Plan C last night. They were running on top of the ground last night against a team who has very manfully, and successfully managed a significant amount of adversity. Reverse the roles and I feel like the result gets reversed too.

Yeah. Were Geelong missing anyone significant last night that are due back this year? We were missing a third of our side and one of the good thirds at that.

[EasternWest]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

If we were talking about just Selwood and Danger i would agree. I thought we were talking about the group that is mentioned.

We are talking about the group that's mentioned and you know it. Don't be disingenuous.

The five players mentioned for us are critical to our side and I am not refuting that point. If they play we of course do better.

To omit Hawkins, Henderson and Menzel from your comment is silly. What players of ours that play in those respective position would you prefer?

We need to separate emotion from reality and I reiterate - I love our players but I reiterate that I would trade all 6 of our players mentioned here (with the exception of Boyd) for their five.

I'm sick of losing.

[Ozza]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

Seeing as Danger and Selwood are probably the two best players in the competition, it's pretty hard to compare those guys with our outs.

[chef]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

We are talking about the group that's mentioned and you know it. Don't be disingenuous.

The five players mentioned for us are critical to our side and I am not refuting that point. If they play we of course do better.

To omit Hawkins, Henderson and Menzel from your comment is silly. What players of ours that play in those respective position would you prefer?

We need to separate emotion from reality and I reiterate - I love our players but I reiterate that I would trade all 6 of our players mentioned here (with the exception of Boyd) for their five.

I'm sick of losing.

Sorry mate, I wasn't trying to be disingenous or silly. My original comment was that Dahlhaus, JJ and Wood are comparable to any of those(I know Selwood and and Danger are better players but our 3 are pretty critical to our structure too). Stevens is a grunt, Smith an unknown, McLean a kid and Boyd...who knows how he's going to end up. So as a collective Geelongs group is better rounded group and not really comparable.

I would have went with Wood, JJ, Murphy, Crameri and Dahlhaus as my 5 important players missing though.

[EasternWest]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

Sorry mate, I wasn't trying to be disingenous or silly. My original comment was that Dahlhaus, JJ and Wood are comparable to any of those(I know Selwood and and Danger are better players but our 3 are pretty critical to our structure too). Stevens is a grunt, Smith an unknown, McLean a kid and Boyd...who knows how he's going to end up. So as a collective Geelongs group is better rounded group and not really comparable.

I would have went with Wood, JJ, Murphy, Crameri and Dahlhaus as my 5 important players missing though.

Oh no prob. I wasn't suggesting you were being silly, I know you're a genuine guy.

I get where you're coming from more now. Would still do the trade .

[stefoid]

Re: Dangerfield, Selwood, Hawkins, Henderson, Menzel

I think geelong played it brilliantly against us - first of all they beat us at our strength - winning the stoppage ball, which put our defence under pressure. Many sides have talked it up pre-game, but the cats actually did it.

2ndly they gave our defenders no easy outs, by manning up our wide players, they forced us down the line or made us work very hard for the switch, or dared us to try a corridor transition.

Dal helps out in the middle with stoppages and pressure - a lot! JJ will help with our corridor transition - a lot!

They would have helped. No doubt the coaching staff will be working over time to remedy what Geelong did to us. We have two weeks to work on it, and then test what we've learned against Sydney.