Round 5 2008 Match Preview. Dogs v Tiges

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Round 5 2008 Match Preview. Dogs v Tiges

I gave Lake BOG this week and most have given Cooney votes as well. You're hard to please!

Lake I was perhaps a little harsh on, but he looked lost at times. He did well in the last quarter but when the heat was on, I thought he made some silly mistakes.

Cooney, however, was quiet for mine. 24 disposals looks fine but even Eade stated that Adam didn't have much of an impact on the game. He kicked a good goal and made some good handballs in a tight congestion but he wasn't exactly damaging. He had a brilliant first three rounds and although the statistics suggests he racked up the possessions, he wasn't too influential - as pointed out by Rocket himself.

BB, sorry don't agree with you - here is why.

Murphy - Still managed to pick up 21 posessions and most times did something with the ball. He had a couple of clangers, but overall I thought he had a great battle with Ryder.

Cooney - almost BOG with 24 disposals and 14 fantastic handle balls that created many goals. Wasn't running like his usual self, but was getting the hard ball and pumping the ball out.

Gia - Agree, didn't have a great game.

Lake - I thought it was his best game so far this year and is improving each week. Took 7 marks and saved us many times.

Morris - nine marks, 15 disposals. Did get beaten a couple of times, but I still think he played well. Needs to improve his long kicking accuracy.

Those do have to lift:

Addison - strted well in the first quarter but didn't get a disposal in the second half of the game

Eagelton - I thought was an ordinary game, but coming off an injury his confidence was down.

Gia - per above, we need more out of him.

Minson - Need four quarters, not just last quarter.

Cooney's is explained above, he wasn't poor - but I think he'd want to play better. He didn't have any pace or much run ins his legs. Around the contest was OK with a few handballs but I don't think his game was that great.

Murphy again wasn't poor but I don't think he did enough. 21 disposals is surprising, but on memory a lot of them were cheap short passes in positions that weren't effective for us. Ryder did a fine job, he won the battle. This is why I hate stats for the most part; on paper it looks as though Murph was exceptional, but he was only OK - no more & no less. Like Cooney, did a couple of nice things, but he wasn't influential at all & had some bad clangers.

Morris was OK in patches but McVeigh was tearing him a new one at one stage. Considering Morris toweled up Riewoldt the week before, I thought his game was only average too. He certainly made some good spoils, but a couple of times he was beaten too easily & he among many others made some very poor decisions and skill errors.

As for your call on Minson, I agree to some extent. Minson really got us up & going in the last quarter and along with Griffen & Aker, won us the match. He was ordinary for the first three quarters but Hudson was arguably worse. In the second & third terms Hudson was absolutely smashed in the middle and had next to no impact around the ground. He's been an awesome pick-up but it was an ordinary night for Hudson. Minson wasn't much better, but his last quarter was impressive and for a 23 year old all the better. He's showing an ability up forward which is very pleasing and his ruck work has improved too. Sometimes people tend to forget he's only 23, whereas most big men don't hit their prime until after 25.

[LostDoggy]

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I believe that we should try Wight on Richo.
Wight has the size and engine to match him (and perhaps put some of his doubters to bed finally)

Not sure about who McMahon will play on if he's in defence - perhaps memories of Lappin would suggest that Hill or Harbrow may be able to stretch him in the air!!

I find it amusing that some Tigers supporters are posing the question - Who will we play on Schultz??? - as if his name was Fevola!!
Anyhow, Hargreave should match him and be able to punish him going the other way.

I know some people are nervous about this week but we're no Fremantle - Dogs by 40 points - I'm as confident as I've been for any game this year.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I can't believe posters are suggesting either Hargrave, Morris or even Griffen could match up with Richo

Matthew Richardson is 195cm and weights 104kg, so he is a man mountain. Hargrave is 20kg lighter and 5 cm shorter. Morris is 10kg lighter and 5cm shorter. They are not a match up at all.

If Richo plays in the forward line then Lake is our man to go with him. He is the only one with the same height, weight and strength. If Richo plays up the grlound like on Sunday, then the only option is Wight, we don't have any one else with the motor and agility.

Why does it matter how tall or heavy he is if he's playing on a wing? The days of Keith Greig and Robbie Flower going head to head are long gone. Wingers need pace, endurance and skill and while Richo has plenty of all of them for his size we can come up with someone with more.

Just have to worry about him pushing forward but he's going to outmark anyone we put on him regardless, lets make him worry about our winger running forward off him as well.

[ledge]

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I have a game plan, when we kick a point let McMahon go free, let them give the ball to him , then let him bounce it 5 times and kick it straight down Lakes throat and we can then start off our attack again. Kick it straight to McMahons opponent because he wont be within 40 yards of him and we will kick 20 goals. Hope his opponent is Aker!

[Bornadog]

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In the second & third terms Hudson was absolutely smashed in the middle and had next to no impact around the ground. He's been an awesome pick-up but it was an ordinary night for Hudson. Minson wasn't much better, but his last quarter was impressive and for a 23 year old all the better. He's showing an ability up forward which is very pleasing and his ruck work has improved too. Sometimes people tend to forget he's only 23, whereas most big men don't hit their prime until after 25.

Sorry BB don't want to sound like I am picking on you, but Hudson was the best ruckman on the ground. He had 22 hitouts, 15 disposals and was on the bottom of many a pack getting the hard balls. Hille had 10 hitouts and was the one that got smashed in the ruck along with Laycock (8 hityouts). Hille did well around the ground when he found space on his own and thats what sticks in peoples minds. In the last quarter, I don't think he even touched the ball. HUdson had to go off as he was stuffed running around as Minson was very quiet for three quarters and Hudson had to do all the work. In the last quarter we know Minson stepped up and was great.

[Bornadog]

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Why does it matter how tall or heavy he is if he's playing on a wing? The days of Keith Greig and Robbie Flower going head to head are long gone. Wingers need pace, endurance and skill and while Richo has plenty of all of them for his size we can come up with someone with more.

Just have to worry about him pushing forward but he's going to outmark anyone we put on him regardless, lets make him worry about our winger running forward off him as well.

SS, we can't put midgets on Richo, because thats what Hargrave and Morris will look like up against Richo and he will have a field day, just like he did on Sunday. Up the ground Wight is the man to do the job. At fullback it will be Lake.

Who are your suggestions to match up against Richo?

[Sockeye Salmon]

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SS, we can't put midgets on Richo, because thats what Hargrave and Morris will look like up against Richo and he will have a field day, just like he did on Sunday. Up the ground Wight is the man to do the job. At fullback it will be Lake.

Who are your suggestions to match up against Richo?

In my OP I said Hargrave.

Richo will kill Hargrave in the air but Richo will kill anyone other than Lake in the air anyway. Wight will get rag-dolled.

Put someone on him who can run and kick, accept that he'll take heaps of marks and burn him going the other way.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Sorry BB don't want to sound like I am picking on you, but Hudson was the best ruckman on the ground. He had 22 hitouts, 15 disposals and was on the bottom of many a pack getting the hard balls. Hille had 10 hitouts and was the one that got smashed in the ruck along with Laycock (8 hityouts). Hille did well around the ground when he found space on his own and thats what sticks in peoples minds. In the last quarter, I don't think he even touched the ball. HUdson had to go off as he was stuffed running around as Minson was very quiet for three quarters and Hudson had to do all the work. In the last quarter we know Minson stepped up and was great.

I agree Hudson was better in the first & more so last, but for mine was beaten around the ground in the second & third terms. His hitouts were way too predictable, he basically hit it to the same spot every time and thus we struggled to get any momentum from out of the middle of the ground. Essendon were sharking it well, and Hille as you said made space around the ground. So even though he won the taps, he wasn't effective - but that's my opinion, and that's one of the great things about footy - there's thousands of 'em.

[1eyedog]

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Well said SS.

Richo is a real concern, and lets face it, we have no one to go with him. Providing he lines up on the wing again i would like to see Griffen go to him and play totally offensive and burn him early with a few goals. That will make Richo play more accountable, something he wouldnt like. Wallace might have no other option but to move him back to the forwardline which would be a win for us because Richo was a weapon last week on the wing.

I think we will have a win, although im not as confident as id like to be after the performance the Tigers conjured up last week.

Ahhhhh don't scare me! Griffen on Richo, Plough will love that match up. It's not so much that we need to find a run with match up for Richo, we need someone to go with him in the air. Williams or Wight would be the best bet. Hey, it's far from ideal but I would prefer Wight to Griffen and least Wight is mobile for a 200cm so he can get to the aerial contests..

[1eyedog]

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In my OP I said Hargrave.

Richo will kill Hargrave in the air but Richo will kill anyone other than Lake in the air anyway. Wight will get rag-dolled.

Put someone on him who can run and kick, accept that he'll take heaps of marks and burn him going the other way.

I would try this If I was Rocket, Shaggy on Richo up the ground may not be as stupid as it sounds. I agree with the theory that Shaggy can hurt Richo the other way because Richo is not super defensive. If Richo is in the goal square Lake needs to be on him. I still believe Wight would be the man up the ground though. He may get tossed around a bit but he battled on against Kosi and kicked a goal on him going the other way so he has the ability and confidence to attack and make his opposition pay. If Rocket wants him to play CHB he needs to give him first crack at the danger men.

[Bulldog4life]

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Lake I was perhaps a little harsh on, but he looked lost at times. He did well in the last quarter but when the heat was on, I thought he made some silly mistakes.

Cooney, however, was quiet for mine. 24 disposals looks fine but even Eade stated that Adam didn't have much of an impact on the game. He kicked a good goal and made some good handballs in a tight congestion but he wasn't exactly damaging. He had a brilliant first three rounds and although the statistics suggests he racked up the possessions, he wasn't too influential - as pointed out by Rocket himself.



Cooney's is explained above, he wasn't poor - but I think he'd want to play better. He didn't have any pace or much run ins his legs. Around the contest was OK with a few handballs but I don't think his game was that great.

Murphy again wasn't poor but I don't think he did enough. 21 disposals is surprising, but on memory a lot of them were cheap short passes in positions that weren't effective for us. Ryder did a fine job, he won the battle. This is why I hate stats for the most part; on paper it looks as though Murph was exceptional, but he was only OK - no more & no less. Like Cooney, did a couple of nice things, but he wasn't influential at all & had some bad clangers.

Morris was OK in patches but McVeigh was tearing him a new one at one stage. Considering Morris toweled up Riewoldt the week before, I thought his game was only average too. He certainly made some good spoils, but a couple of times he was beaten too easily & he among many others made some very poor decisions and skill errors.

As for your call on Minson, I agree to some extent. Minson really got us up & going in the last quarter and along with Griffen & Aker, won us the match. He was ordinary for the first three quarters but Hudson was arguably worse. In the second & third terms Hudson was absolutely smashed in the middle and had next to no impact around the ground. He's been an awesome pick-up but it was an ordinary night for Hudson. Minson wasn't much better, but his last quarter was impressive and for a 23 year old all the better. He's showing an ability up forward which is very pleasing and his ruck work has improved too. Sometimes people tend to forget he's only 23, whereas most big men don't hit their prime until after 25.

Definitely cannot agree nor do the 2 coaches on the night. He was given the best player on the ground by the coaches vote.

[LostDoggy]

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Looks like West isnt playing, Johnson a 50/50 and Aker didnt train but Eade assured us he will play.

Not good signs, particularly Johnno.

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 5 2008 Match Preview. Dogs v Tiges

Looks like West isnt playing, Johnson a 50/50 and Aker didnt train but Eade assured us he will play.

Not good signs, particularly Johnno.

Johnson would cause them a heap of headaches but regardless that another win would be terrific for us, we wouldn't want to risk him.

[LostDoggy]

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Apart from Richo and N Brown, we must keep a close eye on Tambling. He is in form and is ready for a break out game. They showed great pace against Freo (isnt hard i know).

[LostDoggy]

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Johnson would cause them a heap of headaches but regardless that another win would be terrific for us, we wouldn't want to risk him.

We have a few 'easy' matches comming up. Why risk him? Give him the chance to get his body right. We have to start preparing for life without Johnno, and i think we have handled it quite well so far, he hasnt been himself all year.