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[Dry Rot]

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Harrison Macreadie would be worthy consideration but they have enough to cover bids for him. Plus they moved him to Sydney. I think they're committed to him.

Perryman is another gun player, very slow but they need to cover him as well. Setterfield they might have some trouble keeping.

Looking at http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-2...fl-draft-order

If say clubs with picks 3 - 6 nominate nominate a GWS Academy player, GWS need to use their first and one of their second round picks. Another nomination in the 6-10 range will knock off their other second pick and two thirds. Leaves them bugger all.

So GWS may only get 2 of them. I thought McCraedie wasn't in their first two picks?

[bulldogtragic]

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http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/vi...19597_50629845

Here is a link of Jason McCartney talking after the trade period ended. Do yourself a favour and listen to him.

Plough on Trade Radio said the same sort of thing, that there's really great value in the top 30. So I guess two inside 26 gives Dal some good picks. Pick 50 for a Daniel or Williams gem would top it off.

[lemmon]

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http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/vi...19597_50629845

Here is a link of Jason McCartney talking after the trade period ended. Do yourself a favour and listen to him.

So it sounds like it was our decision to move on Hrovat and Kobe for list spots? And yet we've contracted Hamilton and it looks like we're keeping Prudden. That reasoning doesn't work for me.

[GVGjr]

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Looking at http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-2...fl-draft-order

If say clubs with picks 3 - 6 nominate nominate a GWS Academy player, GWS need to use their first and one of their second round picks. Another nomination in the 6-10 range will knock off their other second pick and two thirds. Leaves them bugger all.

So GWS may only get 2 of them. I thought McCraedie wasn't in their first two picks?

It's obviously reliant on other clubs bidding early. My guess is a lot of they clubs they traded with are unlikely to do so. There could be a gentleman's agreement between them and a few clubs.

[G-Mo77]

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So it sounds like it was our decision to move on Hrovat and Kobe for list spots? And yet we've contracted Hamilton and it looks like we're keeping Prudden. That reasoning doesn't work for me.

Yeah we wedged ourselves in a bad position and showed our hand to other clubs. I really think we should have cut Prudden and tried to put more work into Hrovat. At least that way we do have a little bit more leverage in a deal should he still want to go elsewhere.

[Axe Man]

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For what it's worth in relation to the GWS academy players, Callum Twomey rates Setterfield 7 & Perryman 9, with Macreadie not in his top 30.

[GVGjr]

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For what it's worth in relation to the GWS academy players, Callum Twomey rates Setterfield 7 & Perryman 9, with Macreadie not in his top 30.

I was just having a look at that. Seems strange that they would move Macreadie to Sydney and not be committed to him.

[GVGjr]

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I was just having a look at that. Seems strange that they would move Macreadie to Sydney and not be committed to him.

Still if he isn't in the top 30 then a bid on him could be covered. They still should be able to cover the other two

[Sedat]

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Yeah we wedged ourselves in a bad position and showed our hand to other clubs. I really think we should have cut Prudden and tried to put more work into Hrovat. At least that way we do have a little bit more leverage in a deal should he still want to go elsewhere.

How much do we really lose by having Prudden and off-loading Hrovat in 2017? Both are depth players not in the best 22 but capable of playing a role at senior AFL level - Hrovat is a marginally better player but we're not talking Bont vs Palmer difference. Prudden would also command far less in terms of salary cap space.

[G-Mo77]

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How much do we really lose by having Prudden and off-loading Hrovat in 2017? Both are depth players not in the best 22 but capable of playing a role at senior AFL level - Hrovat is a marginally better player but we're not talking Bont vs Palmer difference. Prudden would also command far less in terms of salary cap space.

I'm not talking in talent or salary. Having a squeeze for lists spots showed our hand and lost a lot of negotiating ability, JMac even said it himself. Basically clubs could say take this or nothing at all. At least if there was a bit of doubt from an opposition club that the player they wanted was not going to be available for free we would have had the ability to squeeze a little more.

[soupman]

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So it sounds like it was our decision to move on Hrovat and Kobe for list spots? And yet we've contracted Hamilton and it looks like we're keeping Prudden. That reasoning doesn't work for me.

Yep, although the counter argument is that the two we are keeping are significantly easier to manage.

Firstly financially it would surprise me if either Prudden or Hamilton were on much more than the base wage. Neither have the exposed form or suitors to be able to demand anything more than what we offer. I doubt Hrovat was on much, but Stevens may have been around the league average and while it's not big money altogether the difference between the players probably ended up in the vicinity of $300k.

Need for selection. Both Stevens and Hrovat are at the point in their career where if they spend another season in the reserves they could find their career dies. They should both be demanding they are picked each week, but from our point of view neither is an automatic best 22 selection.

Our list profile. Stevens is a big bodied mid/forward with poor disposal. Jong is exactly that, except he seems to be the preferred option, and he is barely best 22. Likewise with Dunkley. Hrovat is a clever half forward that doesn't really play midfield properly. Daniel has him covered, and we have McLean also in the mix. Hamilton is also in line for this spot, although behind Hrovat. Neither really command a position of need for us, and will also be competing with slightly different types like Dale and Webb who both need to be prioritised.

So basically considering the spots we are looking at are not best 22 spots, we need to look at whats the best choice for us. On exposed form Stevens and Hrovat are the better two players, but do either do enough to justify the increased cost they bring over the likes of Prudden and Hamilton? If they are only a slight chance to be in our side more than 25% of the time, are we better off going for the cheaper guys? Prudden has looked capable if not overly impressive in his few appearances, and Hamilton has had mixed form in the VFL, but now is a little bit closer to getting an opportunity at AFL level.

I'm dissapointed to lose both Stevens and Hrovat, particularly the latter. But honestly neither is in my best 25; Stevens is just too wasteful, and Hrovat after 5 or so seasons is still all potential. He is yet to put together a consistent run of games where he has embedded himself in the side. He does look tidy, but so do others. Also Hrovat has earned the right to try elsewhere for mine. He could have gone last year but stuck it out for another year. It didn't work out, but it was god to see and if another club can offer something resembling regular footy he should take it because like many have pointed out he is another nothing season from career over.

[soupman]

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At least if there was a bit of doubt from an opposition club that the player they wanted was not going to be available for free we would have had the ability to squeeze a little more.

This trade period demonstrated that unless a player is quality in every sense then they are worth nothing. Every fringe player involved this trade period was basically free. If a player is tradeable, then he is worth nothing. It's only the best 22 ones that are worth anything, and even then some aren't.

[bulldogtragic]

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This trade period demonstrated that unless a player is quality in every sense then they are worth nothing. Every fringe player involved this trade period was basically free. If a player is tradeable, then he is worth nothing. It's only the best 22 ones that are worth anything, and even then some aren't.

This was the trade period where values plummeted across the board. After in particular Boyd & Treloar, Aish, Melksham for 25, Jesse White 40's, I think the trend was stock/players values going up. But like any share market, there's peaks and troughs. This trade period saw the arse fall out of the market. It's a shame we didn't see any players we liked on the cheap, but that's life. From a competition sense, I like some sanity prevail on fringe player values. Just a shame it sad our year to trade three of them.

[1eyedog]

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Think you're overrating what both Koby and Rat are worth. You're only worth what someone is willing to pay.

Should have kept Hrovat then, promised him game time next year and given him the Ayce Cordy six week window with a chance to cement a spot.

A smart footballer who is a good user goes out for nothing.

[GVGjr]

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How much do we really lose by having Prudden and off-loading Hrovat in 2017? Both are depth players not in the best 22 but capable of playing a role at senior AFL level - Hrovat is a marginally better player but we're not talking Bont vs Palmer difference. Prudden would also command far less in terms of salary cap space.

He's a bank flanker and he isn't a genuine midfielder or forward type like Hrovat. We have an abundance of those types of players albeit we would have to consider we will lose Murphy and M.Boyd at the end of next season. I think it's more of a question on if we rate Prudden higher than rookies Roarke Smith and even Brad Lynch.

For that half back role we have the likes of Murphy, Wood, M.Boyd, Suckling, Biggs, Williams, JJ, Smith*, Prudden and Lynch* to consider.

We drafted Prudden in 2012 and he only played a handful of games (7) for the Murray Bushrangers that year and since that time he has only played 4 senior games. He played 8 VFL games in 2013 after injuring an ankle. In 2014 4 VFL games injuring a knee. In 2015 11 VFL games and 4 senior games before his season was finished with a hamstring injury and in 2016 2 VFL games before injuring a knee again.

If we count his Bushranger year he has played 36 games of football in 5 years. I know he has had a wretched run with injuries and there are times he looks like a decent prospect but how much longer can we maintain him on the list given we are reasonably deep in the position he plays?