Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Under the umbrella of stoppage coach I think. King can give some guidance if needed I guess (as he's not the stoppage coach anymore)

Cheers. Maybe it's time to have a dedicated ruck coach. It's a very specialised position and we don't have a lot of experience in our ruck division with Minson gone.

English, Roughead, Campbell, Boyd and the other two kids are fairly new. Some specialist ruck tutoring might be handy.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Cheers. Maybe it's time to have a dedicated ruck coach. It's a very specialised position and we don't have a lot of experience in our ruck division with Minson gone.

English, Roughead, Campbell, Boyd and the other two kids are fairly new. Some specialist ruck tutoring might be handy.

How about Minno as a part time ruck coach and mentor (as Collingwood were going to do with him). He loves the club, the players love him. He's an All Australian ruckman with nearly 200 games experience and a contemporary understanding of how most current frontline rucks work in the league.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Cheers. Maybe it's time to have a dedicated ruck coach. It's a very specialised position and we don't have a lot of experience in our ruck division with Minson gone.

English, Roughead, Campbell, Boyd and the other two kids are fairly new. Some specialist ruck tutoring might be handy.

Specialsit ruck tutoring would need to conform to Beveridge's thoughts on the ruck. I couldn't think of anyone more un Bevo's mantra there than Minno.

I think we use the ruck really well, very smart in enhancing our strengths and hiding our weaknesses there.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Specialsit ruck tutoring would need to conform to Beveridge's thoughts on the ruck. I couldn't think of anyone more un Bevo's mantra there than Minno.

I think we use the ruck really well, very smart in enhancing our strengths and hiding our weaknesses there.

It's not necessarily Minno saying to them 'this is how I played and so should you'. But advice from a tap out/technical point of view and someone with contemporary understating of the main afl opposition rucks. So he's well placed to explain to our rucks how the different rucks play, give real time feedback, what the opposition rucks strengths and weaknesses are, how to beat them in the ruck contest and around the ground.

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

At first I thought we should probably look outside but Minson would bring a good understanding of our setups and ruck strengths and weaknesses. Not to put too fine a point on it he's in the unique position of having watched all of our last two years of football from a ruckmans POV, analysing set ups, critiquing ruck contests, how we react to opposition tactics, how the opposition react to ours. He's probably got a mountain of ideas pertaining to us.


Is he far enough removed though? Can he be tough enough with guys he was playing with last year?

[choconmientay]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

We must have scored a bargain with Tim. Here is another article about him to be more than just a traditional ruckman.

Big Bulldog pup has the right AFL tricks
Jason Phelan - AAP on November 29, 2016, 3:24 pm

Why would the Western Bulldogs pick a giant ruckman in the first round of the AFL draft when everybody knows Luke Beveridge prefers mobile rucks who can play multiple roles?

And why would they select a skinny, 205cm prospect when clubs are generally moving away from spending precious first-round picks on project ruckmen?

Because Tim English isn't a traditional ruckman.

The West Australian played most of his junior football as a midfielder before a growth spurt forced a positional change.

That should help English adjust to Beveridge's different approach to the role of the ruckman.

With less of a premium placed on winning the tap, the Dogs ranked 16th for hitouts in their premiership season and Jordan Roughead, their first-choice ruck, was a key-position player before Beveridge arrived at Whitten Oval.

English says he's up for the challenge.

"(The coach) does like mobile ruckmen and it's a huge honour that the (club's) list management have the faith in me to be able to play that role," English said.

"At South Fremantle, that was my role so hopefully it's similar here.

"Mobility is one of my strengths, so maybe I'm not (a traditional ruckman)."
Such is English's ability to cover the ground and win his own ball, he's been favourably compared to West Coast great Dean Cox.

"I can't really control what people's opinions are ... I'd be stoked if I could be half as good as Dean Cox," he said.

"Obviously it's a huge comparison, I'm pretty humbled by that, but I haven't really achieved anything yet."

Weighing just 92kg, English has significant work to do to get his body up to AFL standard and will likely spend 2017 in the gym and learning his craft at VFL level.

English and fellow draftees Patrick Lipinski, Lewis Young and Fergus Greene joined the Bulldogs' first-to-fourth-year players on Tuesday at Whitten Oval.

The 2016 premiership party will be over for the rest of the playing group when full pre-season training begins next week.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

I'd much prefer our ruckmen be mentored by mobile types who found a way to compete. A lot of Will's strengths were based on his physical strength. I actually think we already have the perfect mentor, Jordan Roughead.

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

I'd much prefer our ruckmen be mentored by mobile types who found a way to compete. A lot of Will's strengths were based on his physical strength. I actually think we already have the perfect mentor, Jordan Roughead.

Steven King isn't your mobile type.

[hujsh]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

If Bevo doesn't rate traditional ruckmen I'd be surprised if we invested in a specialist ruck coach.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Luke Darcy?

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Steven King isn't your mobile type.

Yep but he is probably there for his knowledge on stoppages.

[Twodogs]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Luke Darcy?

Yeah. Was away from the club for a while but still immersed in the culture. While he loves the club he has no problem aiding a criticism when he thinks it warranted. Has been in the media so he's had a chance to study and analyse our ruck styles. I like it.

I also think that there is a bit of Darce about Tim English. Darce was an extra midfielder after the ruck contest because he spent a lot of time following Scott Wynd around and got involved in the midfield there. He had pretty good skills for a big guy, he was agile, was a nice kick. Had a bit of mongrel to, not to much but if you upset him it was best to keep away for 15 minutes opponent or teammate.

Maybe Darce would be a good mentor for Tim?

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Jordan Roughead. Perfect mentor.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Ex-ruckmen to Beveridge are like video rental stores to modern entertainment.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

Ex-ruckmen to Beveridge are like video rental stores to modern entertainment.

Like Gentleman John being around the club all year?