Lake and Wight

[LostDoggy]

Re: Lake and Wight

It's purely physical. Wight doesn't have the upper body strength of Williams. As a physical specimen, Williams looks like the type to take on big strong power forwards. Wight still looks like a beanpole and is easily out muscled. Not his fault, but it's the reason why the club is placing so much faith in Williams.
Wight is a brilliant player to have on the bench. Very versatile, tall, fast and can kick goals. But Williams can really lock down CHB for 10 years. I don't think Wight can.

I agree with the comments about both players. Williams has burst and is able to take-off at CHB and quickly have the ball in the forward line. Yes, he has big improvement in him but already he has more attack in his game than Wight.

Despite his lack of grounding in the game, Williams' decision-making is good and his disposal is superior to that of Wight

The more games Williams plays the better he will become as his marking skills and reading of the game improve. As somebody said earlier, he gives away too many free kicks at this stage, something which will improve as he gains poise through experience.

Williams has the potential to match it with the power forwards like Brown, Hall, Franklin and Mooney. Wight has not.

[The Doctor]

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I agree with the comments about both players. Williams has burst and is able to take-off at CHB and quickly have the ball in the forward line. Yes, he has big improvement in him but already he has more attack in his game than Wight.

Despite his lack of grounding in the game, Williams' decision-making is good and his disposal is superior to that of Wight

The more games Williams plays the better he will become as his marking skills and reading of the game improve. As somebody said earlier, he gives away too many free kicks at this stage, something which will improve as he gains poise through experience.

Williams has the potential to match it with the power forwards like Brown, Hall, Franklin and Mooney. Wight has not.

I think you and DD have summarised the differences between Wight and Williams very well. I'd just like to add that in their relatively short careers Williams has shown by some margin he can play at the higher level better than Wight.

I worry about Wight at CHB. If I were an opposition coach I would be directing as much of my attack through him as possible.

If you look at last Saturday night's game v Eagles it was Wight's opponent Kennedy who was causing us all the early trouble. He constantly left Wight in his wake. When the game was up for grabs we were exposed in this crucial area. This happens a lot and not by just good players. The unlisted Jeremy Dukes of Port Melb ripped him to pieces in the VFL last year.

If Wight is going to be beaten by these guys what hope do we have against the real gun CHF's.

Williams may still carry that 'P' (potential) tag but he at least still has it whereas Cam doesn't in my view.

[Desipura]

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I think you and DD have summarised the differences between Wight and Williams very well. I'd just like to add that in their relatively short careers Williams has shown by some margin he can play at the higher level better than Wight.

I worry about Wight at CHB. If I were an opposition coach I would be directing as much of my attack through him as possible.

If you look at last Saturday night's game v Eagles it was Wight's opponent Kennedy who was causing us all the early trouble. He constantly left Wight in his wake. When the game was up for grabs we were exposed in this crucial area. This happens a lot and not by just good players. The unlisted Jeremy Dukes of Port Melb ripped him to pieces in the VFL last year.

If Wight is going to be beaten by these guys what hope do we have against the real gun CHF's.

Williams may still carry that 'P' (potential) tag but he at least still has it whereas Cam doesn't in my view.

Also like to add it is when we are winning the ball out of the midfield that Wight gives us something by running fwd and thus creating a loose man. (we saw the best and worst in the 1st qtr of Wight against Kositzcke) When we are being beaten in the middle this forces Wight to have to play one on one which leaves him vulnerable.

If Williams can hold down CHB, Wight might be a more important than you think as it would allow him to play on a smaller type. This would give him a distinct height advantage and a less physical opponent, thus his vulnerability one on one would not be as much as a factor. His non stop running up the ground gives us another loose man.

[Dogs 24/7]

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If you look at last Saturday night's game v Eagles it was Wight's opponent Kennedy who was causing us all the early trouble. He constantly left Wight in his wake. When the game was up for grabs we were exposed in this crucial area. This happens a lot and not by just good players. The unlisted Jeremy Dukes of Port Melb ripped him to pieces in the VFL last year.

If Wight is going to be beaten by these guys what hope do we have against the real gun CHF's.

Williams may still carry that 'P' (potential) tag but he at least still has it whereas Cam doesn't in my view.

It's an interesting assessment.
I seem to recall that Lake got soundly beaten by Chad Jones a few times and clearly didn't play him close enough and from memory Kennedy possessions were because he was on the receiving end of some fine midfield work.
I suppose Lake gets a bit more lattitude from the fans than Wight because of past victories but I thought Wight was a fine contributor on the night.
I have no doubts that Williams will be the better footballer if he can himself fit but Wight isn't the liability that some seem to think. I am not suggesting they are your words but he does have a bit of value as far as I am concerned.

[The Doctor]

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If Williams can hold down CHB, Wight might be a more important than you think as it would allow him to play on a smaller type. This would give him a distinct height advantage and a less physical opponent, thus his vulnerability one on one would not be as much as a factor. His non stop running up the ground gives us another loose man.

Interesting thought.

In this case I would prefer we give this loose running role to a player who can break the lines with pace or dispose the ball cleverly to break through the lines. THis is where a player like Everitt might be a better option.

[Desipura]

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Interesting thought.

In this case I would prefer we give this loose running role to a player who can break the lines with pace or dispose the ball cleverly to break through the lines. THis is where a player like Everitt might be a better option.

Totally agree, as we know he also has the footy smarts.
At 199cm Wight can also pinch hit in the ruck which is an extra bow he has.

[1eyedog]

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string?

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Interesting discussions by all

Wight over the past two weeks has started to look more confident at the level, and is starting games better than he was earlier in the season. I hope he really grabs this opportunity by the scruff of the neck.

Williams is clearly a talent, but completely unable to stay fit for any length of time. At this stage the only conclusion that can be drawn is that his body cannot handle the workload of being an AFL footballer. The club has always taken a long term view of him as an athlete and I'd almost advocate that they leave him in the VFL for all of 2008. I had a similar view of 2007 for him but they put him in the seniors and he was encouraging, but he really needs to stay fit otherwise he will never develop.

Lake was super on Saturday night and looked back to his best post the Hip operation.

[Desipura]

Re: Lake and Wight

string?

string to his bow, yes.

[LostDoggy]

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Lake = Henderson >>>Kennedy >>> Croft >>>


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Tony Campbell

and dont forget DARCY (David)

[LostDoggy]

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On the matter of disposal though, do you find that when most players stuff up by getting holding the ball against them or screwing up a pass into the forwardline everyopne gets pissed off (especially when its Gia), but when Will Minson does the same thing everybody sort of goes "Oh Will you drongo" and laughs. He's the only player supporters seem to find amusing when he stuffs up.

That's because of Will's adorable biceps, of course. He is a lovable rascal though, you have to admit. I think he's forgiven so much because we know he's always giving his absolute, absolute best, despite his obvious limitations, whereas we are less forgiving when other, far more 'talented' players (a certain skinny former Dog turned Tiger) coast along not giving a stuff.

[hujsh]

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Yes, Will certainly is not in the team for his ball use (although he could do some work on it)