Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

[Mitcha]

Keep hearing how Jake was supposedly disappointing during 2016 but when comparing numbers to the love child of channel 7s Bruuuuuce among others was there really much of a difference?
Jake-23 games 323 touches at an average of 14 with 65 shots at goal resulting in 42 goals 23 behinds. 48 tackles.
Cyril-21 games 288 touches at an average of 14 with 60 shots at goal resulting in 47 goals 13 behinds. 128 tackles.
Other than the forward fifty defensive pressure that Rioli gives, why was one named All Australian and the other was deemed down on output? Discuss?

[Twodogs]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Because one coach/ing department had the stones to send their player to the twos to relearn the non negotiables before the finals came and it was too late and the other didn't?

Jake Stringer was a significant contributer to his team winning a premiership. That's worth more than all 22 All-Australian jumpers combined.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

It's an interesting comparison between Stringer and Cyril Rioli you raise
I think both were down on their 2015 seasons but Cyril was better.

I also think both struggled from missing key forwards playing along side of them during the season

It seems to me in Stringers case he missed having Crameri in the side and also he didn't have Tom Boyd for sizeable chunk of the season. He still seemed down on form to me and was beaten by opposition players I think he normally wouldn't have had a problem with. He will be harder to match up on with Cloke and Crameri in the side.

Cyril performed OK but he might have had more opportunities had Roughead not missed the season. As you have pointed out, it's his defensive efforts that really stand out. Looking at the stats if Stringer had have converted his chances a bit better perhaps my opinion that he was down on form might have changed.

Cyril is overrated by the media and I think I have higher expectations on what Stringer should consistently deliver for us than I probably should.

Stringer seemed to carry a shoulder injury however I don't think he had it addressed after the season.

[hujsh]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Cyril is also firmly established as a 'champion' in the minds of many so he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he got 12 touches they must have been important, dangerous touches.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Cyril is also firmly established as a 'champion' in the minds of many so he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he got 12 touches they must have been important, dangerous touches.

Cyril has reflexes like a cat. His disposal and ball use continues to be effective and damaging. He performed to a high level in 2016. There is no comparison in terms of what Cyril and Stringer delivered in 2016. Cyril performed to a high level more often.

Stringer obviously has the talent, but failed to capitalise on his output due to a lack of consistency.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

It's an interesting comparison between Stringer and Cyril Rioli you raise
I think both were down on their 2015 seasons but Cyril was better.

I also think both struggled from missing key forwards playing along side of them during the season

It seems to me in Stringers case he missed having Crameri in the side and also he didn't have Tom Boyd for sizeable chunk of the season. He still seemed down on form to me and was beaten by opposition players I think he normally wouldn't have had a problem with. He will be harder to match up on with Cloke and Crameri in the side.

Cyril performed OK but he might have had more opportunities had Roughead not missed the season. As you have pointed out, it's his defensive efforts that really stand out. Looking at the stats if Stringer had have converted his chances a bit better perhaps my opinion that he was down on form might have changed.

Cyril is overrated by the media and I think I have higher expectations on what Stringer should consistently deliver for us than I probably should.

Stringer seemed to carry a shoulder injury however I don't think he had it addressed after the season.

Stringer's form seem to taper off when Redpath went down too. You can see that the forwards liked having Big Jack up and about.

[Twodogs]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

It's an interesting comparison between Stringer and Cyril Rioli you raise
I think both were down on their 2015 seasons but Cyril was better.

I also think both struggled from missing key forwards playing along side of them during the season

It seems to me in Stringers case he missed having Crameri in the side and also he didn't have Tom Boyd for sizeable chunk of the season. He still seemed down on form to me and was beaten by opposition players I think he normally wouldn't have had a problem with. He will be harder to match up on with Cloke and Crameri in the side.

Cyril performed OK but he might have had more opportunities had Roughead not missed the season. As you have pointed out, it's his defensive efforts that really stand out. Looking at the stats if Stringer had have converted his chances a bit better perhaps my opinion that he was down on form might have changed.

Cyril is overrated by the media and I think I have higher expectations on what Stringer should consistently deliver for us than I probably should.

Stringer seemed to carry a shoulder injury however I don't think he had it addressed after the season.

It's a good point you make about the cattle around them.

I think we've been a bit tough on Stringer's 2016. He was expected to play a different role in a different forward line than the one we had the year before with Crameri and Dalhaus missing out of our 2015 best forward line. Sure Jake's output was down on his 2015 but he did a lot of things in 2016 that just wouldn't have happened in 2015. For instance at the exact moment that Jake is streaming into the forward 50 at Spotless with 40 seconds to go in the prelim there is only one way we can lose the game and that us for Jake to *!*!*!*! up, have a shot that falls into a GWS players hands or give a free away something like that and honestly looking back how many of us thought that was what was going to happen? I kinda did. But he didn't, he took a bounce and summed up the best option and then performed that option perfectly. That was just one of many moments Jake took on and got just right over September. He wasn't alone in having a good September but he had one.

I like that we mark Jake hard because his very best is spectacular and we ought to expect it, but we also need to be patient because in a lot of ways Jake is learning to play footy again. Probably for the first time in his life on the field he has to make a real effort to be really effective and do everything we expect of him. If we are patient with Jake the pay off will be enormous.

Cyril is also firmly established as a 'champion' in the minds of many so he gets the benefit of the doubt. If he got 12 touches they must have been important, dangerous touches.

Give me 12 disposals from the Bont anytime. It's like depth perception is his sixth sense

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Reflecting on the season by reading the Bulldogs magazine, I was surprised to look back at the number of games he kicked multiple goals. His consistency towards the end of the year, combined with his shoulder issues is what I'd focussed on.

Interesting comparison.

The good thing is we're yet to see how good Jake can be.

[hujsh]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Cyril has reflexes like a cat. His disposal and ball use continues to be effective and damaging. He performed to a high level in 2016. There is no comparison in terms of what Cyril and Stringer delivered in 2016. Cyril performed to a high level more often.

Stringer obviously has the talent, but failed to capitalise on his output due to a lack of consistency.

I don't necessarily disagree with that. I do think if he and Stringer had the same season Cyril's would be rated more highly based on past performance.

[SonofScray]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

He had a good season on the balance of things. We mark him very harshly because his best is the stuff of GOATs and he is better than simply being a mercurial goal kicker. The Ablett comparisons are reasonable. Family issues and the shoulder appeared to present him with some adversity which he struggled to shake off in the context of being the biggest opposition threat and attracting most of the attention.

No doubt in my mind he'll have a bigger, more frequently impact in 2017.

[boydogs]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

He was good until the shoulder issue. Whether it was the shoulder or Abby after that, his output when he returned was well down

[comrade]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Until Stringer physically commits to every contest, he'll have to cop being criticised by fans and commentators. He pulls out of contests too often, this is just a part of his game. The first quarter of the Eagles final had multiple instances of it. Whether it was the shoulder haunting him or his preference is to crumb packs and kick goals using his ground level skills, he needs to overcome this weakness if he's to reach his full potential.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

Until Stringer physically commits to every contest, he'll have to cop being criticised by fans and commentators. He pulls out of contests too often, this is just a part of his game. The first quarter of the Eagles final had multiple instances of it. Whether it was the shoulder haunting him or his preference is to crumb packs and kick goals using his ground level skills, he needs to overcome this weakness if he's to reach his full potential.

There is a perception issue with Stringer and his efforts and I failed to mention in my original response that he occasionally dropped marks that he should have held and that was possibly because of an injured shoulder.

He can frustrate and delight our fans but the one big difference between Rioli and Stringer is I don't think I've ever heard a Hawks supporter question Cyril's efforts.

[Topdog]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

I'm sorry but how can you gloss over 80 more tackles and 5 more goals in 2 less games? basically 4 tackles more every game.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jake Stringers season 2016. Average or not?

I'm sorry but how can you gloss over 80 more tackles and 5 more goals in 2 less games? basically 4 tackles more every game.

You can't but the opening posts challenges an AA selection for Rioli and the perception that Stringer had a below average season.

I don't think anyone would say Rioli wasn't a good player last year and as you point out his stats with superior numbers of tackles and goal conversions support that.