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  • Happy Days
    Hall of Fame
    • May 2008
    • 10070

    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    What role would Roughead play in we were to land Martin?
    If I'm being honest, twos ruckman. Roughy was extremely lucky to survive the axe at several stages this year, and it had to be at least in part due to there being no one capable of taking his place.
    - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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    • 1eyedog
      Hall of Fame
      • Mar 2008
      • 13178

      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      What role would Roughead play in we were to land Martin?
      CHF for Footscray
      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

        Originally posted by Happy Days
        If I'm being honest, twos ruckman. Roughy was extremely lucky to survive the axe at several stages this year, and it had to be at least in part due to there being no one capable of taking his place.
        Roughies like a few. His best is best 22. But if he's off just say 5% from his very best, he's not a great ruck, a great defender or great forward. You'd hope if a Martin or Kruezer came in and took the first ruck spot, maybe the pressure of competition might push Roughie into being 100% as much as his body lets him be.

        But as years of our posts in The Ruck Me thread attest, no ones had a *!*!*!*!ing clue what we've doing or where we've been looking to address it. A good mature ruck might be the long overdue attention to the position we've been wanting, and not a pick 11 for Lobbe from type deal...
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        • boydogs
          WOOF Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 5842

          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

          I would trade Roughead for Martin
          If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

          Formerly gogriff

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          • Rocket Science
            Coaching Staff
            • Oct 2007
            • 4849

            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

            Originally posted by GVGjr
            What role would Roughead play in we were to land Martin?
            Have an enormous soft spot for Roughie and his best (a la 2016) is eminently good enough but he's another (and we have a few in this boat) who's been persisted with while underperforming because competition's so thin for his role and we currently have so few alternatives.

            Factor in concerns relating to durability, how him going down disrupts us structurally and lack of positional flexibility and he's got a truckload of work to do (again, not alone) expecting the selectors to maintain the faith.

            He's heart and soul but like anyone else has to earn his spot, demonstrate consistency and make us better.
            BORDERLINE FLYING

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            • josie
              Coaching Staff
              • Oct 2012
              • 4386

              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

              Well said Rocket.
              Josie :)

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              And we'll have everything.
              We'll share the joy
              Just like '54 again.

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              • kruder
                Coaching Staff
                • May 2011
                • 3768

                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                Mckenna from the dons is out of contract I see, we sure could use his speed and kicking ability. Anyone got a feel for his defensive ability?

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                • ledge
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 14088

                  Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                  We might have to change this post heading soon .. Apparently Jmac is being pursued by the pies as we are in dispute about his contract renewal.
                  Bring back the biff

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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13178

                    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                    Why is it that we still bleed talent yet sweet FA come back the other way.
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34316

                      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                      Originally posted by 1eyedog
                      Why is it that we still bleed talent yet sweet FA come back the other way.
                      I was thinking the exact thing yesterday. Winning a premiership hasn't even helped.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 65964

                        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                        Originally posted by ledge
                        We might have to change this post heading soon .. Apparently Jmac is being pursued by the pies as we are in dispute about his contract renewal.
                        The trouble is they will throw big dollars to entice him.
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                        • Webby
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 1880

                          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                          I was thinking the exact thing yesterday. Winning a premiership hasn't even helped.
                          If clubs with pockets as deep as Collingwood want one of our admin staff, they'll get them. That's just the way it is.

                          We just have to have continual succession plans and keep on working at being cleverer than the rest. If I had a choice of losing either of Dalrymple or McCartney, I'd be focused squarely on keeping Dalrymple.

                          And, btw, is our list really that well managed? Our drafting has been extremely good and our coaching has been great despite structural deficiencies. However how well have we really traded for, traded out, and retained key players??

                          Is our list management honestly our differentiating strength??
                          Last edited by Webby; 31-08-2017, 08:28 PM.

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                          • bulldogsthru&thru
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • May 2011
                            • 7706

                            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                            Originally posted by Webby
                            If class bs with pockets as deep as Collingwood want one of our admin staff, they'll get them. That's just the way it is.

                            We just have to have continual succession plans and keep on working at being cleverer than the rest. If I had a choice of losing either of Dalrymple or McCartney, I'd be focused squarely on keeping Dalrymple.

                            And, btw, is our list really that well managed? Our drafting has been extremely good and our coaching has been great despite structural deficiencies. However how well have we really traded for, traded out, and retained key players??

                            Is our life st management honestly our differentiating strength??
                            I would say retention has been good thus far. The rest hasn't been any better than average though

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                            • comrade
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 17903

                              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                              JMac has been solid at locking guys in, which deserves credit.

                              He seems to lack some creativity when trading out fringe guys like Stevens and Hrovat, which have basically ended up as net losses or at best break evens when future picks are taking into considering vs the output they will provide the new club.

                              He also hasn't been able to entice any big name player, which may mean we've over paid our current players leaving too little for big recruiting deals.
                              Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                              • Mofra
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 14861

                                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                                Originally posted by Webby
                                And, btw, is our list really that well managed? Our drafting has been extremely good and our coaching has been great despite structural deficiencies. However how well have we really traded for, traded out, and retained key players??

                                Is our life st management honestly our differentiating strength??
                                Chasing Lobbe for pick 11 suggests we aren't better than average traders.

                                Crameri for pick 26 (Zac Merrett).
                                The Biggs trade was rolled gold a downgrade from pick 37 to 39.
                                Hamling as a DFA was great.
                                We overpaid for Boyd but it worked in our favour last year, he may not hit those heights again.
                                Cloke cost little so it's just a pass.

                                We've missed out on a few too (Hurley the big one) and I don't think we'll land Lever.
                                I'd be happy if we somehow get Stef Martin for not much (sweetener after we lose Crameri) and take our remaining picks to the draft.
                                There doesn't seem to be that much unsigned talent available this year, Dusty and Kelly aside (I'm guessing they both stay).
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