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  • bulldogsthru&thru
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • May 2011
    • 7706

    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

    Originally posted by comrade
    JMac has been solid at locking guys in, which deserves credit.

    He seems to lack some creativity when trading out fringe guys like Stevens and Hrovat, which have basically ended up as net losses or at best break evens when future picks are taking into considering vs the output they will provide the new club.

    He also hasn't been able to entice any big name player, which may mean we've over paid our current players leaving too little for big recruiting deals.
    The last point is the unknown. The offers being thrown around for Kelly and Martin are starting to make Boyd's deal look average, which we all expected. However we're going to have to offer Bont a similar amount to Kelly Martin type deals. We have a lot of talent on our list and if it gets back to the 2016 intensity levels we won't have too much need for big name recruits but more solid B graders to fill the holes. It all depends on if you apply a 2017 or 2016 lens to our current list. 2018 might provide the answer.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 65964

      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

      Originally posted by Webby
      I And, btw, is our list really that well managed? Our drafting has been extremely good and our coaching has been great despite structural deficiencies. However how well have we really traded for, traded out, and retained key players??

      Is our life st management honestly our differentiating strength??
      JMac has been fantastic at managing our list and has done very well in retaining the important players.

      We haven't lost any guns and were unlucky with losing Hamling. Hamling with his indigenous background and ties wanted to go back to WA to be with his father and family and made that known half way during the season. As for Stevens and Hrovat, we got what they were worth in the market. Both have been average at best this year and are not a loss at all.

      Who else have we lost that is a key player???

      Trading in, well that is a difficult area and you have to give up something pretty good to get someone good. How many teams trade and get absolute guns without throwing a million plus for them (per year). We sneered the number one draft pick off GWS and he helped us win a premiership and he is still only 22 years old and 200cm plus - can play. We gave a few others a red hot go and it didn't work, but at least we went for them.

      I think some posters are underselling JMac and I believe he is a must keep.
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      • Topdog
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 7471

        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

        Originally posted by bornadog
        JMac has been fantastic at managing our list and has done very well in retaining the important players.

        We haven't lost any guns
        I honestly dont think we can say that yet. I think we will have to judge that in 2 years when our guns are actually guns and not just young, extremely promising players.

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        • Sedat
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2007
          • 11107

          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

          If JMac goes, I'd love us to look at Matt Rendell as a potential replacement for list manager. Not sure of his contract status but he has a long body of quality work in the recruitment/list management space.
          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 65964

            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

            Originally posted by Topdog
            I honestly dont think we can say that yet. I think we will have to judge that in 2 years when our guns are actually guns and not just young, extremely promising players.
            Either way, we have not lost any key players that are potential guns.
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            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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            • chef
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2008
              • 14562

              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Either way, we have not lost any key players that are potential guns.
              Hamling?
              The curse is dead.

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 65964

                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                Originally posted by chef
                Hamling?
                You didn't read my previous post.
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                • Remi Moses
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 14785

                  Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                  I don't quite know what posters thought we'd get for fringe players like Hrovat and Stevens .
                  The days of bending teams over and having a deal weighed in your teams favour, are long gone .
                  It's better to have good relations with clubs in case you do have a potential go home factor in our favour .
                  Sydney are a prime example, is in they gladly trade a player for opportunity at another club.

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44190

                    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                    Originally posted by Sedat
                    If JMac goes, I'd love us to look at Matt Rendell as a potential replacement for list manager. Not sure of his contract status but he has a long body of quality work in the recruitment/list management space.
                    I had a chat to him on Saturday at the TAC game (Dragons vs Stringrays) and I concur he would be a great addition to the club. I also think he could be a huge benefit in areas other than just list management.
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                    • Twodogs
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27654

                      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                      Originally posted by Sedat
                      If JMac goes, I'd love us to look at Matt Rendell as a potential replacement for list manager. Not sure of his contract status but he has a long body of quality work in the recruitment/list management space.
                      Originally posted by GVGjr
                      I had a chat to him on Saturday at the TAC game (Dragons vs Stringrays) and I concur he would be a great addition to the club. I also think he could be a huge benefit in areas other than just list management.
                      Is/has Rendell been working in the football industry recently? He left Port under a cloud after making some ill advised comments he'd probably like to take back I remember but I'm not sure what he's done since.
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • Axe Man
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10970

                        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                        Originally posted by Twodogs
                        Is/has Rendell been working in the football industry recently? He left Port under a cloud after making some ill advised comments he'd probably like to take back I remember but I'm not sure what he's done since.
                        Rendell has a recruiting role at Collingwood and it was the Crows that he left after some controversy.

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                        • Topdog
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 7471

                          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                          Originally posted by Twodogs
                          Is/has Rendell been working in the football industry recently? He left Port under a cloud after making some ill advised comments he'd probably like to take back I remember but I'm not sure what he's done since.
                          Honestly that was the biggest witch hunt. He was absolutely thrown under the bus for no reason by Mifsud.

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                          • ledge
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 14088

                            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                            If Jmac is having contract issues with us , who's doing his job while this is happening ?
                            Bring back the biff

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                            • Nuggety Back Pocket
                              WOOF Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 2064

                              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              JMac has been fantastic at managing our list and has done very well in retaining the important players.

                              We haven't lost any guns and were unlucky with losing Hamling. Hamling with his indigenous background and ties wanted to go back to WA to be with his father and family and made that known half way during the season. As for Stevens and Hrovat, we got what they were worth in the market. Both have been average at best this year and are not a loss at all.


                              Who else have we lost that is a key player???

                              Trading in, well that is a difficult area and you have to give up something pretty good to get someone good. How many teams trade and get absolute guns without throwing a million plus for them (per year). We sneered the number one draft pick off GWS and he helped us win a premiership and he is still only 22 years old and 200cm plus - can play. We gave a few others a red hot go and it didn't work, but at least we went for them.

                              I think some posters are underselling JMac and I believe he is a must keep.
                              We are very fortunate to have both JMac and Dalyrmple in key football roles.

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                              • Axe Man
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 10970

                                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                                Originally posted by ledge
                                If Jmac is having contract issues with us , who's doing his job while this is happening ?
                                He's contracted until the end of November so I would expect he is doing his own job whether he ends up leaving or not.

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