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  • G-Mo77
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Apr 2007
    • 9873

    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

    Originally posted by Mantis
    In what type of role?
    Considering Boyd and Murph retired I could see him playing some HB. They played close to 30 games between them so there is that void to fill, Williams still has yet to really wow me and IMO is just not there yet and of course there is Suckling who I think we're on the same page with.

    So if Webb has signed on for a further 2 you'd think his role would increase significantly.

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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15301

      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

      Originally posted by G-Mo77
      Considering Boyd and Murph retired I could see him playing some HB. They played close to 30 games between them so there is that void to fill, Williams still has yet to really wow me and IMO is just not there yet and of course there is Suckling who I think we're on the same page with.

      So if Webb has signed on for a further 2 you'd think his role would increase significantly.
      Can the kid defend?

      Maybe they have trained him away from a HB role because he is no good at it?? He was quite pathetic against Brisbane when playing at HB before being omitted, 3 kicks and got badly out-pointed by Bastinac in 2 x 1-1 contests late in the game.

      Suckling has serious faults, and I would prefer others if we had them, but is so far ahead of Webb in a HB role it isn't funny.

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      • Remi Moses
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 14785

        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

        Originally posted by Twodogs
        Thinking it through and I think I'm conflating Matthew Primus and Matthew Rendell.

        Both Matthews, both Ruckmen, both played at Fitzroy and both ended up in Adeliade at about the same time.
        I think Matt Rendall would have been a better coach .

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        • always right
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 4189

          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

          Originally posted by Mantis
          Can the kid defend?

          Maybe they have trained him away from a HB role because he is no good at it?? He was quite pathetic against Brisbane when playing at HB before being omitted, 3 kicks and got badly out-pointed by Bastinac in 2 x 1-1 contests late in the game.

          Suckling has serious faults, and I would prefer others if we had them, but is so far ahead of Webb in a HB role it isn't funny.
          He showed plenty off half back earlier in his career but the MC for whatever reason decided they wanted him to spend time midfield to improve his contested game.

          I'm pretty confident he can return to defence and do well......in time. Not prepared to write someone off after one game against Brisbane where he was thrown into defence after Wood was injured.
          I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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          • The Bulldogs Bite
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 11104

            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

            Originally posted by Mantis
            Can the kid defend?

            Maybe they have trained him away from a HB role because he is no good at it?? He was quite pathetic against Brisbane when playing at HB before being omitted, 3 kicks and got badly out-pointed by Bastinac in 2 x 1-1 contests late in the game.

            Suckling has serious faults, and I would prefer others if we had them, but is so far ahead of Webb in a HB role it isn't funny.
            Agreed.

            That game v Brisbane, Webb was pathetic - as harsh as it is to say. It was disappointing given his contributions in the week prior v Essendon, but I suppose it's worth cutting him some slack given he hasn't played half back for 2+ years.

            I think it's almost safe to say that Webb cannot translate his VFL midfield game to the AFL. Will he in 1, 2, 3 years time? Hard to say, but the 2 year experiment of him playing midfield hasn't worked.

            Almost at the stage where, if he stays, Webb needs to be re-trained as a half back as it's most likely his best chance at making it at AFL level. Thought he did show some solid signs in his first year across half back, and whilst we'd love to see him become a good midfielder given his consistently strong VFL performances, I think we need to pull the plug on this experiment for 2018 at least.

            If Webb can nail a spot at half back it probably allows us to play JJ higher up the ground at times. Still - Lukas' lack of pace and strength could be exploited at half back. The upside is that we should be able to get the ball into his hands far more often and we know he's a beautiful kick.
            W00F!

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            • bulldogsthru&thru
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • May 2011
              • 7706

              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?



              Im ok for the right price

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              • Happy Days
                Hall of Fame
                • May 2008
                • 10070

                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                I'm not. What exactly does he offer that Roughead doesn't?

                Think he's a very limited footballer who is too short to ruck and too slow to defend.
                - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                • bulldogsthru&thru
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • May 2011
                  • 7706

                  Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                  Originally posted by Happy Days
                  I'm not. What exactly does he offer that Roughead doesn't?

                  Think he's a very limited footballer who is too short to ruck and too slow to defend.
                  He's a competent defender for one. He can play on the monster forwards. We don't have anyone who can play that role right now. Adams is injury prone and Roberts has regressed. He's also too weak.

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                  • Axe Man
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 10970

                    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                    Originally posted by Happy Days
                    I'm not. What exactly does he offer that Roughead doesn't?

                    Think he's a very limited footballer who is too short to ruck and too slow to defend.
                    You rate Roughy higher than I do. For mine he's a better defender and forward than Roughy and not far off him in the ruck (although he would likely only be a relief ruck at most anyway).

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                    • Twodogs
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27654

                      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                      Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                      Me too. Quality, durable depth. He's not going to be a star or win games of football of his own boot. But he's the sort of player and employee every list needs.
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • KT31
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 5454

                        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                        Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                        Me too, he knows how to defend and can pinch hit in the ruck or forward if need be, only 26 years old so still plenty of footy left in him.
                        It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14861

                          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                          I'm liking the Trengove move. He's performed pretty well across his career, I see him more as a defender who can pinch hit forward and ruck rather than anything else.
                          His B&F finishes interest me, and he was in the leadership group wasn't he?
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                          • The Bulldogs Bite
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 11104

                            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                            Originally posted by Happy Days
                            I'm not. What exactly does he offer that Roughead doesn't?

                            Think he's a very limited footballer who is too short to ruck and too slow to defend.
                            Agreed. I've been pretty vocal in my opinion of Trengove.

                            I guess the only 'positive' from my perspective would be that we don't have to cough anything up in terms of a trade and he provides depth to which we lack.
                            W00F!

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                            • Topdog
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 7471

                              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                              For me Trengove is better than Roberts and well ahead of Collins at the moment. Seems a no brainer.

                              I think sometimes fans get lost trying to get a perfect player and forget that you need role players who do their role well.

                              Hamling being a perfect example.

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                              • The Bulldogs Bite
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 11104

                                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                                Originally posted by Topdog
                                For me Trengove is better than Roberts and well ahead of Collins at the moment. Seems a no brainer.

                                I think sometimes fans get lost trying to get a perfect player and forget that you need role players who do their role well.

                                Hamling being a perfect example.
                                Assuming we are interested in Trengove, it says to me that the club really doesn't rate Collins.

                                That deal of trading 11 for Dunkley and Collins isn't looking great in hindsight when you consider we could have taken Curnow.
                                W00F!

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