2008-2010 under Bevo

[Twodogs]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

No Daniel kicked his after the siren from the goal square after a 50m penalty. The prelim and GF we missed both times. A pretty freaky occurrence.

Dickson missed after the half time siren against Hawthorn and then Stringer missed after the 3/4 siren.
Against GWS Smith missed on 1/4 time siren and Dickson at full time, as well as the McLean GF miss. Still feel there was another siren shot somewhere through the finals.

We were very good at having control late in quarters.

Did we also kick the same score in the prelim and the GF?

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Did we also kick the same score in the prelim and the GF?

Yes we did 13.11(89)

[Twodogs]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Yes we did 13.11(89)

I must admit that I missed that little statistical gem in the excitement of post match! It took a couple of days to notice. I think they had all our finals one under the other in one of the papers.

[Guido]

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Interesting point to mention because I thought in 2006 Rocket was ahead of the curve with the fast link up football and attacking off the HB line which soon became the antidote to the dour Swans/Eagles grindfests.

It was the antidote in 2005 as well, but IMO under the coaches overarching psychology that year, we really didn't give ourselves the chance to achieve what we could have. Sure, we "wanted" and "could have" played finals, but I don't think the philosophy that we were a genuine threat was being drilled in from day one as it was under Beveridge in both 2015 and 2016.

I really liked and rated Eade, and maybe internally it was different, but everything publicly that year was "it's a development year", "our best shot is in the future" kind of outlook. "No ceilings" is so simple and yet as a mindset, so effective. Looking back, we had over a dozen elite past/present/future All Australians in that 2005 squad, probably more than the premiers that year and possibly more AA's than our premiership team from last year will end up having (maybe/hopefully/probably not ).

Number of AA's isn't the be all and end all (I know 2005 M Boyd is nowhere near 2016 M Boyd, 2005 Chris Grant isn't 1997 Chris Grant), but it's a reasonable guide on comparative talent available. The building blocks were there in 2005, everyone in the 8 was shitting themselves at facing us in a final (we took the grand finalists to the cleaners a few weeks prior to the finals, Chris Grant playing as if he was 25), and I genuinely think a 2016 Beveridge in charge of that squad would have had us knocking on that premiership door if not busting it down.

2008 and 2009 I'm not as bullish about, when we got within a few goals in 2008 and within 7 points (and pretty much ripped off) in 2009, we sometimes kinda forget that the two almost unbeatable teams we went up against went something like 21-1 or 20-2 during those years. 2016 on the other hand, every team lost quite a number of games and was one of the the most even seasons in history.

But I say this with as little as disrespect as possible, there's no way we achieve what we did in 2016 with Eade at the helm. Nor Longmire. Nor Worsfold. Nor Cameron. I'd even venture as far to say that even who I regard as the best coach in the last 15 years, even Clarkson probably wouldn't have led us to that summit.

[Bornadog]

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But I say this with as little as disrespect as possible, there's no way we achieve what we did in 2016 with Eade at the helm. Nor Longmire. Nor Worsfold. Nor Cameron. I'd even venture as far to say that even who I regard as the best coach in the last 15 years, even Clarkson probably wouldn't have led us to that summit.

We really can't compare 10 years ago coaching to today and what might and might not have happened, however, I totally agree with the above on 2016.

[Topdog]

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Yep I don't think a player in our modern history had kicked that goal Bont did late in the prelim, and not only did it go through but it split the centre and was always going to the moment it left his boot. It was perfect execution. I've lamented our inability to kick that goal my whole football watching life, I still get a tingle thinking about how sweet he hit it. Macrae's goal late in the 4th to win the match while easy, would have been highly unlikely to have gone through either in the 2008-10 period IMO. Eagleton wouldn't have even made the distance given how much was riding on it.

When I picture the 2016 season in an image, I think of Bont hitting that kick on the run. It's probably a thread on its own.

YES! And to make it more exciting he missed a very similar shot in the 2nd quarter, which was probably our 4th or 5th easy goal missed for the game, so to then slot it straight through the middle was just brilliant.

Also that miss in the second quarter produced my sons first and to date only ever - thankfully - usage of the F word as I was watching with him and 3 of my best mates. 1 of them just released a barrage of f bombs after that miss and my little 6 year old boy just repeated with a "*!*!*!*! Bont!"

[Happy Days]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Yep I don't think a player in our modern history had kicked that goal Bont did late in the prelim, and not only did it go through but it split the centre and was always going to the moment it left his boot. It was perfect execution. I've lamented our inability to kick that goal my whole football watching life, I still get a tingle thinking about how sweet he hit it. Macrae's goal late in the 4th to win the match while easy, would have been highly unlikely to have gone through either in the 2008-10 period IMO. Eagleton wouldn't have even made the distance given how much was riding on it.

When I picture the 2016 season in an image, I think of Bont hitting that kick on the run. It's probably a thread on its own.

My friends can't understand why I think this goal was better than Daniel's "play of the year". This is exactly why.

[Twodogs]

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YES! And to make it more exciting he missed a very similar shot in the 2nd quarter, which was probably our 4th or 5th easy goal missed for the game, so to then slot it straight through the middle was just brilliant.

Also that miss in the second quarter produced my sons first and to date only ever - thankfully - usage of the F word as I was watching with him and 3 of my best mates. 1 of them just released a barrage of f bombs after that miss and my little 6 year old boy just repeated with a "*!*!*!*! Bont!"

First time I took my son to Port Melbourne footy ground (back when Footscray was a wild fantasy) he was 5 or 6 maybe. We are sitting on the little bench that runs around the inside of the fence and there is me, Harvey, crusty old wharfie type number 1 and crusty old wharfie type number 2 in that order sitting along the fence. I'm watching the game, Harvey is taking in all the new senses, when I feel a tug on the sleeve of my jumper "dad, dad" "what is it mister?" "The man sitting next to me said '*!*!*!*!' at the umpire, Twice!"

[The Pie Man]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Heard Spud Frawley mention he believes the message at half time to the players in the GF was to stop pumping high balls into a F 50 for Grundy to eat up - who knows what Rocket said to the guys at the intervals in 09, but it felt like we just kept pumping the ball into city end F 50 for not much result in 09 (Then there was Gilbee running into an open goal and shanking it....Gilbee!)

I'd love to know exactly what was said on that and whatever midfield changes Joel Corey has been credited with. I love thinking about it - I felt like we were in real trouble at half time, despite the late goal to McLean.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Heard Spud Frawley mention he believes the message at half time to the players in the GF was to stop pumping high balls into a F 50 for Grundy to eat up - who knows what Rocket said to the guys at the intervals in 09, but it felt like we just kept pumping the ball into city end F 50 for not much result in 09 (Then there was Gilbee running into an open goal and shanking it....Gilbee!)

I'd love to know exactly what was said on that and whatever midfield changes Joel Corey has been credited with. I love thinking about it - I felt like we were in real trouble at half time, despite the late goal to McLean.

One thing Bevo did do was to get Libba and Macrae to alternate off Kennedy who was the one killing us around the midfield. After half time Kennedy was ineffectual and we got on top of the cont. poss and the rest is history.

[dukedog]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Heard Spud Frawley mention he believes the message at half time to the players in the GF was to stop pumping high balls into a F 50 for Grundy to eat up - who knows what Rocket said to the guys at the intervals in 09, but it felt like we just kept pumping the ball into city end F 50 for not much result in 09 (Then there was Gilbee running into an open goal and shanking it....Gilbee!)

I'd love to know exactly what was said on that and whatever midfield changes Joel Corey has been credited with. I love thinking about it - I felt like we were in real trouble at half time, despite the late goal to McLean.

Was it 3qtr time in the granny where matty boyd was speaking to the pack. Man id love to know what he said.

[Bornadog]

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Was it 3qtr time in the granny where matty boyd was speaking to the pack. Man id love to know what he said.

He said:

[Ozza]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

That's it....I'm going home to watch the Grand Final again tonight!!

(Actually, am going on a holiday tomorrow...so I do need a fix before being without the DVD for two whole weeks!).

[Mantis]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

One thing Bevo did do was to get Libba and Macrae to alternate off Kennedy who was the one killing us around the midfield. After half time Kennedy was ineffectual and we got on top of the cont. poss and the rest is history.

I thought it was Libba & Bont, moot point , but both won a heap of clearances in the 2nd half as we got on top.. Our flexibility through this area of the ground showed its benefit in this game.. Kennedy carried a huge load and our guys were able to rotate and grind him down.

Lots of interesting points in this thread with the main thing I notice between the eras is the evenness of this team and its willingness to do the little things by the lesser likes to play their part... And on the Bont goal against GWS, one I have probably watched 100 times, and one that still gives me a buzz when I see it.. Our best player shouldn't be missing goals from 30m straight in front under no real pressure regardless of game situation... A clinical finish, nothing more, nothing less.

[Mofra]

Re: 2008-2010 under Bevo

Lots of interesting points in this thread with the main thing I notice between the eras is the evenness of this team and its willingness to do the little things by the lesser likes to play their part... And on the Bont goal against GWS, one I have probably watched 100 times, and one that still gives me a buzz when I see it.. Our best player shouldn't be missing goals from 30m straight in front under no real pressure regardless of game situation... A clinical finish, nothing more, nothing less.

One thing I love about that goal is the roar - for such a small crowd the noise sounds incredible, in volume, pitch, tone, everything.