JLT 4 vs GC Suns

[kruder]

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I'm a bit confused about questions regarding our list management particularly in regards to ruck and key defender depth. Would people prefer the Collingwood approach and just go and and buy whoever is available while at the same time trying to win the PR battle over the off season?

We were obviously close with Hurley, it also sounds like we also targeted Nicholls from the GC and missed. Getting Cloke and with the addition of Crameri enables us to hold a structure forward when Boyd has to ruck which is a huge plus and a luxury we didn't have when Redpath was out of the team last year. Campbell has a rolled ankle, he will be back and the ever improving Roughead who jumped as good as I've ever seen him in JLT 1 will be back.

Marcus Adams is suddenly shit after 6 months out, wanting to go home and a few JTL games. Um go back and watch the game again Hawthorn last year and you may have different views. Remember its a system defence and during games such as JLT and when our pressure is off, the majority of defenders outside Morris and Rance would be exposed.

I think you will find the free agency/trading benefits of our success will lag a little as it takes time when your targeting specific players.The only questionable list management decision for mine was the resigning of Hamilton who from draft videos until now hasn't shown an AFL trait.

I cant be any more bullish this year its the best bulldogs team we have ever put on the park since i've been following them and if you add the scoring power of 15 to the defensive traits of 16 while continuing to dominate inside look out!

Oh and a guy called Jake Stringer had 26 and 4 goals last night Life's good indeed.

[Mofra]

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I think you can get away with 3 and a rookie as backup but realistically Rough and Campbell have never made it through a season and English doesn't have the body for it. We should have targetted extra cover and scooped someone like a Vardy or a ready-made mature ager from the state leagues on the rookie list.

Roughy played 25 games last year, more than almost anyone else on our list.

I would have liked cover but I'm not sure there was anyone available. Which mature ruckman would come to us knowing we had Roughy as first choice, Campbell second and Boyd playing 40% ruck?

The only ruck delistees from last year I can think of that played games (Fitzpatrick & McKernan) were rookied by their old clubs, and the others looked nowhere near it (Max King and Liam McBean).

[1eyedog]

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Roughy played 25 games last year, more than almost anyone else on our list.

I would have liked cover but I'm not sure there was anyone available. Which mature ruckman would come to us knowing we had Roughy as first choice, Campbell second and Boyd playing 40% ruck?

The only ruck delistees from last year I can think of that played games (Fitzpatrick & McKernan) were rookied by their old clubs, and the others looked nowhere near it (Max King and Liam McBean).

Nankervis, Witts and I guess if you're desperate Petrie.

[soupman]

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Our rucks are fine.

We have 4 players capable of playing there, and a couple of others that can pinch hit. How soon are you recruiting rucks for the sake of it, rather than them improving your list?

Besides we have demonstrated that through both the quality of our midfield and the structure of our defence we can cope with losing ruck contests. Last night alone we were killed in the centre clearances in the second half yet still killed them.

Also since Beveridge has arrived we have demonstrated time and again that faced with a decision between someone who is big enough to play a traditional key position or someone smaller who is more talented we will always go with the smaller bloke. So whats the point of signing a ready to go ruck that will only play if 3 specific players are injured ahead of him and even then would only be a line ball decision at best to be picked?

If we did sign an additional ruckman they should only fit two categories:
-They are immediately in contention for best 22
-They will possibly be in contention for best 22 down the track, ie. they possess the attributes we like (English).
Going for someone like Witts so he can be third in line is the most un-Beveridge like move we could make.

[Mofra]

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Nankervis, Witts and I guess if you're desperate Petrie.

The first two left for more opportunity which means they would have ruled us out immediately.
Petrie I'm not sold on and he had more chance at WCE (at the time) anyway with their first two rucks under serious injury clouds.

[LostDoggy]

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Few times we got pinged for "throwing" was just dead set embarrassing. I counted 4 times the umpire was completely out of position and basically guessed because our hands are so quick. Hopefully something else becomes the flavour of the month really soon.

I really liked Cordy's game down back. Also I was pretty happy with Roberts. Lynch got him a couple of times in one on ones but Lynch is the best forward in the game. And our midfield and forwards were putting on zero pressure in the first half so it made it impossible. When we turned up the heat all over the ground in the second half Lynch only kicked 1 on him.

Boyd was really good in the ruck, That's about as easy as it will get with a spud like Witts though. I would prefer him be our 2nd option for 10 minutes a quarter but beggers can't be choosers.

Bont got better as the game wore on. Biggs looks like he could be a top 5 best and fairest prospect this year. Jong played himself into our Round 1 side.

[Axe Man]

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Few times we got pinged for "throwing" was just dead set embarrassing. I counted 4 times the umpire was completely out of position and basically guessed because our hands are so quick. Hopefully something else becomes the flavour of the month really soon.

Agreed, I thought the same thing wathcing the game but annoyingly Foxtel never seemed to show a replay of the supposed throws. Nothing annoys me more than when an umpire guesses. If they see a throw clearly then absolutely pay the free, but if they are un-sighted or unsure then it has to be play on.

[The Pie Man]

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Nankervis, Witts and I guess if you're desperate Petrie.

Might've been BS, but I saw* during the trade period we were in for Nankervis - if true at all, I can understand why he chose Richmond, as opportunity would surely be more forthcoming at Punt Rd.**

* Saw on Twitter - the Trade Whisperer account

** Well, except for now of course

[The Pie Man]

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There was a 'sliding' decision paid against Libba tonight. it baffles me that rule and why it needs to exist. He got to the footy first, was stationary over the top of it and a guy jumped into his back to win a free kick.

I'll hold my rant on this (other than to say I completely share your view) but in that instance, the Suns player came from another direction, so Tom wouldn't have necessarily seen him, just to run over Lib - if anything, it was high/ITB.

See someone on the turf fighting for the ball, just run over them and you'll get a free. It's the new buckle of the knees/ shoulder shrug for ITB/too high.

[jeemak]

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Minson's not a great example, we chose not to offer him a cotract rather than he left for opportunity.

I said at the time I'd like to keep him on the list, or re-rookie. Hindsight is great but he'd probably be playing round 1.

I think you can get away with 3 and a rookie as backup but realistically Rough and Campbell have never made it through a season and English doesn't have the body for it. We should have targetted extra cover and scooped someone like a Vardy or a ready-made mature ager from the state leagues on the rookie list.

It didn't have to be a full time ruckman it could have been a player capable of playing in a couple of positions and helping out as required. We could have also looked to add a player via the rookie list had we been prepared to cut into the list a bit deeper.

Lets look at the Swans, they have Sam Naismith, Callum Sinclair, Kurt Tippett and added a 22 yo player with WAFL experience in Darcy Cameron. They can also use Sam Reid there from time to time.

We added Tim English but everything we have said since indicates he is a long term prospect and he needs time to develop.
Given we used an early pick on him I hope we take the cautious approach.

I would have thought the discussion with Minson prior to him not being offered a contract would have been along the lines of there being no place on the senior list for him, leaving his best chance of getting a senior game being from the rookie list on a significantly lowered wage. I could be wrong.

We have Roughead, Campbell, Boyd and English, and seemingly Cloke to chip in. I'm not sure how much more value than English the likes of Darcy Cameron will offer, we'll have to wait and see should he get his opportunity. Our first three selections are all capable of carrying the first ruck position at a high standard at AFL level, that's not a bad starting position.

Possibly our list management personnel view an ordinary non-AFL standard ruck as exactly what it is, and think that a rookie list spot isn't well used on one. I tend to agree, but can see both sides of the argument. If ordinary rucks were the only rucks available, I can understand why we didn't use a spot on one.

[Topdog]

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Rucks just aren't that important.

[Mantis]

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Found it amusing post game when Bont was walking back to the group post TV interview that he starting limping/ dragging his leg which was much to the amusement of his team mates.

[bulldogtragic]

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Found it amusing post game when Bont was walking back to the group post TV interview that he starting limping/ dragging his leg which was much to the amusement of his team mates.

How much ground did Cloke cover do you think Mantis? It looked from TV like he covered a lot of ground and was almost always on the move, certainly none or not much of the stand and wrestling stuff.

[Mantis]

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How much ground did Cloke cover do you think Mantis? It looked from TV like he covered a lot of ground and was almost always on the move, certainly none or not much of the stand and wrestling stuff.

Not sure in pure numbers, but he certainly covered lots of ground, but not always to the right spot, but this will improve as he gets more in sync with his new team-mates.. Whilst he wasn't super influential he was opposed to some handy players in May & Thompson who would have no doubt been much more influential if they didn't have to compete with Cloke.

[Bornadog]

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Not sure in pure numbers, but he certainly covered lots of ground, but not always to the right spot, but this will improve as he gets more in sync with his new team-mates.. Whilst he wasn't super influential he was opposed to some handy players in May & Thompson who would have no doubt been much more influential if they didn't have to compete with Cloke.

I realise both teams had to put up with the weather, but what was it like up there? Hot?, Humid? We seemed uncomfortable in the first half and the look at the players in the rooms at half time, they were suffering. Once the sun went down we seem to fire up.

Suns of course train in that weather and are use to it.