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  • 1eyedog
    Hall of Fame
    • Mar 2008
    • 13190

    The Herald Scum

    I'm not in the habit of abusing newspapers, occasionally I will get irate about a football writer's statements but today's Herald Bulldogs match review is a Barry Crocker and Jon Ralph is usual suspect. Ralph's best players afield yesterday for the Dogs were (in order) Cooney, Johnson, Giansiracusa, EAGLETON, LAKE, Boyd and Morris. No Hahn (he never is in the best), no Callan and no Murphy. No problem with The Coon and Johnno (even Guido) at the top but Eagleton being the 4th best Bulldog on the ground is an insult to the guys who actually spilt red, white and blue yesterday to get us across the line.

    Let's look at the stats;

    Nathan Eagleton (14 disposals, 71% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 4 clearances, 0 tackles, 1 goal).

    Brian Lake (11 disposals, 82% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 0 clearances, 0 tackles, 0 goals).

    Mitch Hahn (18 disposals, 67% effective, 2 contested marks, 9 contested possies, 1 clearance, 2 tackles, 2 goals, and 5 inside 50s).

    Tim Callan (21 disposals, 57% effective, 1 contested mark, 10 contested possies, 2 tackles, 1 goal).

    It seems that the writers at the Herald Sun simply want to be entertained rather than appreciate hard at it footy, no wonder outsiders like Buckley have received so much good press over the years! How do these people get this job?
    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
  • camwoof

    #2
    Re: The Herald Scum

    agree, great observation. It is like they look at who scores the most fantasy football points and then name their best from that.

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    • 1eyedog
      Hall of Fame
      • Mar 2008
      • 13190

      #3
      Re: The Herald Scum

      Do they just look at effective possessions?
      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 66188

        #4
        Re: The Herald Scum

        Murphy and Hahn were good in patches. Murphy set us up in the second quarter, but was shut out of the game in the second half. Hahn was his normal bullocking style, but I wouldn't say in the best. Callan was fantastic and agree Eagleton could have done more and should not have been named in the best. In fact two vital mistakes in the last quarter nearly cost us the game, thenn he redeemed himself with the last goal.

        As for Guido, I thought he played a great game with 18 kicks and 8 handballs, yet a lot of our WOOF posters didn't give him a vote.
        FFC: Established 1883

        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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        • camwoof

          #5
          Re: The Herald Scum

          That game was made for Hahn with his bullocking style

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          • Desipura
            WOOF Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 4344

            #6
            Re: The Herald Scum

            Originally posted by 1eyedog
            I'm not in the habit of abusing newspapers, occasionally I will get irate about a football writer's statements but today's Herald Bulldogs match review is a Barry Crocker and Jon Ralph is usual suspect. Ralph's best players afield yesterday for the Dogs were (in order) Cooney, Johnson, Giansiracusa, EAGLETON, LAKE, Boyd and Morris. No Hahn (he never is in the best), no Callan and no Murphy. No problem with The Coon and Johnno (even Guido) at the top but Eagleton being the 4th best Bulldog on the ground is an insult to the guys who actually spilt red, white and blue yesterday to get us across the line.

            Let's look at the stats;

            Nathan Eagleton (14 disposals, 71% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 4 clearances, 0 tackles, 1 goal).

            Brian Lake (11 disposals, 82% effective, 0 contested marks, 1 contested possie, 0 clearances, 0 tackles, 0 goals).

            Mitch Hahn (18 disposals, 67% effective, 2 contested marks, 9 contested possies, 1 clearance, 2 tackles, 2 goals, and 5 inside 50s).

            Tim Callan (21 disposals, 57% effective, 1 contested mark, 10 contested possies, 2 tackles, 1 goal).

            It seems that the writers at the Herald Sun simply want to be entertained rather than appreciate hard at it footy, no wonder outsiders like Buckley have received so much good press over the years! How do these people get this job?
            Totally agree, in fact when I saw Eagle named as 4th best, I had to look twice as I thought I was looking in the goalscorers column. I neearly pulled my hair out when Eagle turned it over in the dying minutes.

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            • 1eyedog
              Hall of Fame
              • Mar 2008
              • 13190

              #7
              Re: The Herald Scum

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Murphy and Hahn were good in patches. Murphy set us up in the second quarter, but was shut out of the game in the second half. Hahn was his normal bullocking style, but I wouldn't say in the best. Callan was fantastic and agree Eagleton could have done more and should not have been named in the best. In fact two vital mistakes in the last quarter nearly cost us the game, thenn he redeemed himself with the last goal.

              As for Guido, I thought he played a great game with 18 kicks and 8 handballs, yet a lot of our WOOF posters didn't give him a vote.
              Eagleton got fed that goal (by Callan?)
              But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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              • 1eyedog
                Hall of Fame
                • Mar 2008
                • 13190

                #8
                Re: The Herald Scum

                Originally posted by Desipura
                Totally agree, in fact when I saw Eagle named as 4th best, I had to look twice as I thought I was looking in the goalscorers column. I neearly pulled my hair out when Eagle turned it over in the dying minutes.
                Yep I know, I screamed his name out in the match day thread.
                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                • Cyberdoggie
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 2859

                  #9
                  Re: The Herald Scum

                  effective possesions don't tell the whole story really.
                  it's working on percentages of totals, and we aren't talking high numbers here so 1 errant kick can change percentage by more than 10% for example.

                  Mitch hahn isn't a high possesion getter and most of his kick are under pressure (usually when he's got 3 players hanging on to him!) so of course he's not going to be high up there on the ratings.

                  Someone like eagleton will gather easy short kicks often, therefore his percentage will be much higher. What it doesn't tell you about eagleton is that he made 2 collosal blunders that went straight to opposition and resulted in goals. The last one put sydney back in the game in the last quarter.

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15324

                    #10
                    Re: The Herald Scum

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    As for Guido, I thought he played a great game with 18 kicks and 8 handballs, yet a lot of our WOOF posters didn't give him a vote.
                    Yeah I didn't give him a vote, but I thought it was one of Gia's best games for quite a while.

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                    • Desipura
                      WOOF Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 4344

                      #11
                      Re: The Herald Scum

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      Yeah I didn't give him a vote, but I thought it was one of Gia's best games for quite a while.
                      I just do not like seeing him in the back half, gets caught out of position too often. Remember the McVeigh mark?

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                      • DOG GOD
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 6404

                        #12
                        Re: The Herald Scum

                        If it wasnt for Cooney and Hahn we wouldve been rolled. Hahn is having a stellar year imo, with his hardness and toughness at the ball. How many times does he keep the ball alive when others would be happy to just contain it.

                        Hats off to him. He looks fit and hungry, something he didnt look last year for obvious reasons.

                        Well done mitch.
                        I will never see #16 the same!!

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #13
                          Re: The Herald Scum

                          I believe it was Hahn's best ever game. He killed them, the way he was attacking the ball, scared them, took marks, kicked goals, broke packs, etc . It was very intimidating.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66188

                            #14
                            Re: The Herald Scum

                            Originally posted by Desipura
                            I just do not like seeing him in the back half, gets caught out of position too often. Remember the McVeigh mark?
                            One error
                            FFC: Established 1883

                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 66188

                              #15
                              Re: The Herald Scum

                              Originally posted by 1eyedog
                              Eagleton got fed that goal (by Callan?)
                              Johnno passed iot to him.
                              FFC: Established 1883

                              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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