Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

I think we are a mile off the side that got 15 wins in the home and away season and then put together a faultless finals series.
We can stare into the eyes of the coaches and ask if they were demanding enough of players returning from holidays and ask were they happy with what they saw?

We can ask the hard question of the list managers and see why we started 2017 with a weaker team than what we finished 2016 with?

We should certainly ask questions around player development plans and were the coaches and fitness staff content with the results let alone question why our skill level is still an issue?

We know we had injuries and some players dropped off by an alarming rate so it's going to be very interesting to see how seriously the clubs takes an unfulfilling 2017 season. Was it the gap year we had to have or did we just get lucky in 2016? If the answer is yes to either of those options I'll won't be content with that.

I think it's a lot of wishful thinking to say the difference between last year is comparable to the Hawks

I think my intention is to ask, 'what did Hawthorn do in response to their narrowly missing finals in 2009, and are there any lessons from how they responded for us to pick up on'.

[Twodogs]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

I think we are a mile off the side that got 15 wins in the home and away season and then put together a faultless finals series.
We can stare into the eyes of the coaches and ask if they were demanding enough of players returning from holidays and ask were they happy with what they saw?

We can ask the hard question of the list managers and see why we started 2017 with a weaker team than what we finished 2016 with?

We should certainly ask questions around player development plans and were the coaches and fitness staff content with the results let alone question why our skill level is still an issue?

We know we had injuries and some players dropped off by an alarming rate so it's going to be very interesting to see how seriously the clubs takes an unfulfilling 2017 season. Was it the gap year we had to have or did we just get lucky in 2016? If the answer is yes to either of those options I'll won't be content with that.

I think it's a lot of wishful thinking to say the difference between last year is comparable to the Hawks

We didn't retain much of what it was that made us so good at times last year did we? If it was hunger that caused that then we are in trouble and we have to make changes to the list that won't be popular about some players.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

I hope we can pick up some of the intel on how hawthorn responded after 09
One things for sure , they made changes .

[ledge]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

I hope we can pick up some of the intel on how hawthorn responded after 09
One things for sure , they made changes .

Well we are making big changes as well but not our own choice . We have two 300 gamers retiring that's a lot of experience to fill.
We will be a mid to young squad and this year although labelled a failure could bare fruit in the kids that we played due to injury and maybe a lost hunger from other players.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

Getting even more like a mirror like now.

Rumours of players partying too hard the season after the flag.
Mid sized forward, former/club leading goal kicker & fan favourite with trade currency traded out (likely) (Mark 'Shot Gun Salute' Williams - Jake 'The Package' Stringer).
Recruiting a competent mature tall defender (Josh Gibson - Jackson Trengove, likely)
Hawks put picks & Williams compo up for Burgoyne - Dogs TBA

[ratsmac]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

Getting even more like a mirror like now.

Rumours of players partying too hard the season after the flag.
Mid sized forward, former/club leading goal kicker & fan favourite with trade currency traded out (likely) (Mark 'Shot Gun Salute' Williams - Jake 'The Package' Stringer).
Recruiting a competent mature tall defender (Josh Gibson - Jackson Trengove, likely)
Hawks put picks & Williams compo up for Burgoyne - Dogs TBA

So the question remains, who is our Burgoyne? Is there a gem at a struggling club that wants a fresh start? If so are we in there ear?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

So the question remains, who is our Burgoyne? Is there a gem at a struggling club that wants a fresh start? If so are we in there ear?

I'd say Rockliff. I rate him fairly highly and free agency is great. Gaff someone said is reported as on the market. Liam Duggan maybe. I'd still be considering pick 9 for a range of players in the midfield or forward. Just don't really know whose available.

But like Hawthorn, pick 9 plus Stringer compo if it happens could buy a very smooth mid surely.

[ratsmac]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

I'd say Rockliff. I rate him fairly highly and free agency is great. Gaff someone said is reported as on the market. Liam Duggan maybe. I'd still be considering pick 9 for a range of players in the midfield or forward. Just don't really know whose available.

But like Hawthorn, pick 9 plus Stringer compo if it happens could buy a very smooth mid surely.

I think Rocky would be a great fit bitnthwnword on the street is that he off to Carlton. Gaff is a real interesting one. He is a good player that hasn't reached the heights I thought he would. Could Bevo make him great. He's also a Marcelin boy just like the Bont. I think you are onto something BT

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

I think Rocky would be a great fit bitnthwnword on the street is that he off to Carlton. Gaff is a real interesting one. He is a good player that hasn't reached the heights I thought he would. Could Bevo make him great. He's also a Marcelin boy just like the Bont. I think you are onto something BT

Off to Carlton? Must be via GWS then. I didn't think SOS looked passed GWS.

[GVGjr]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

Off to Carlton? Must be via GWS then. I didn't think SOS looked passed GWS.

He's off a shoulder reconstruction first

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Hawthorn 2009 > Western Bulldogs 2017

He's off a shoulder reconstruction first

I'd thought Adelaide were the front runners

So rocky replaces Gibbs?