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  • soupman
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2007
    • 5159

    #31
    Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

    Originally posted by Ozza
    I don't agree that 1-4 are almost equal. Looking at this years likely top 4 - getting a top 2 spot and not having to travel is crucial. If GWS and Adelaide get 1st and 2nd - then the grand final spots are theirs to lose. If, for instance, Geelong got their noses in front of Adelaide - then Adelaide would likely travel to Skilled Stadium (or at least the MCG) week one of the finals. Say they lose that and play Port Adelaide week 2 at Adelaide oval....pretty crucial that they finish 3rd rather than 2nd in that sort of a scenario.
    I'm not sure it's that big an issue anymore.

    I looked at the stats, 2006-2010 had barely any upsets and barely any wins away from home, but 2011-2015 had heaps.

    Looking at just the first week of finals, 8 teams that finished lower than their opponent won (12 favourites won).
    And of the matches where there was a clear home ground advantage it was a 6/6 split.

    Breaking it down further of the upsets only 2 were in the top four (with 8 favourites winning), but both of them were away matches with a clear home advantage (home sides won 4 games).

    In the 5-8 section you were more likely to win if you were the underdog, with 6 upsets (and 4 expected results), and away sides won 4 games to the home sides 2.

    So positions 5-8 are clearly irrelevant regardless of finishing position or home ground (although a lot of them would have lost the next week, which doesn't disprove the argument), while the top 2 sides seem to be better than 3-4.

    Anyway this is getting in confusing territory where I forget what I am arguing. I still think there are largely two tiers of top four and top 8 with positions within that not so important, home ground advantage in finals helps but I'm not sure it is that big a factor, especially in even years where there is little separating teams.
    I should leave it alone but you're not right

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    • always right
      WOOF Member
      • Nov 2007
      • 4189

      #32
      Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

      Great to see Bevo take on this ridiculous argument that we are favoured by the umpires.



      After Sam Edmund's article on last week's game, I emailed him and challenged him to do some analysis on free kicks paid and unpaid over several dogs games to ascertain whether the calls were accurate. Still waiting for a response.

      Staggered that no journalist has decided to do this sort of analysis.
      I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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      • bulldogsthru&thru
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • May 2011
        • 8048

        #33
        Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

        "Strong enquiries made at the end of last year"

        No doubt that was from sydney.

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 67701

          #34
          Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

          Originally posted by always right
          Great to see Bevo take on this ridiculous argument that we are favoured by the umpires.



          After Sam Edmund's article on last week's game, I emailed him and challenged him to do some analysis on free kicks paid and unpaid over several dogs games to ascertain whether the calls were accurate. Still waiting for a response.

          Staggered that no journalist has decided to do this sort of analysis.
          Listen to the whole press conference here
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          • The Bulldogs Bite
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 11409

            #35
            Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

            Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
            "Strong enquiries made at the end of last year"

            No doubt that was from sydney.
            Had to blame somebody for their consistent GF failures
            W00F!

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            • bulldogsthru&thru
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • May 2011
              • 8048

              #36
              Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

              2 interesting things out of Bevo's press conference:

              1. He hates Brad Scott
              2. His reaction to Boyd's under 18 coaches call for Tom to be played as a forward.....

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 67701

                #37
                Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                2 interesting things out of Bevo's press conference:

                1. He hates Brad Scott
                2. His reaction to Boyd's under 18 coaches call for Tom to be played as a forward.....
                I read that article on SEN and laughed. Here is the link if you are interested.
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • Twodogs
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27682

                  #38
                  Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                  Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                  2 interesting things out of Bevo's press conference:

                  1. He hates Brad Scott
                  2. His reaction to Boyd's under 18 coaches call for Tom to be played as a forward.....

                  I think he just hates the Scott twins full stop.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • bulldogsthru&thru
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • May 2011
                    • 8048

                    #39
                    Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                    Originally posted by Twodogs
                    I think he just hates the Scott twins full stop.
                    Who doesn't

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #40
                      Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                      Bevo and Scott were in the Player Development/Assistant coaching group at Collingwood around 2009-2010. Wonder if there was any stories to come from that time? Buckley also became senior assistant to Malthouse in 2010 so it would've been a pretty lively coaching environment at the time.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #41
                        Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                        Loved Bevo's reactions when asked about comments from Tom Boyd's former coach.. "Who"

                        Enjoyed that presser! It's just hilarious the two incidents being brought up were both blatantly obviously the correct call. Plus the free kick that led to Higgins getting that set shot wasn't there.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #42
                          Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                          At the 10:50 mark of the interview when the the reporter mentions damian barrett's name.

                          Wow, he has soooo much contempt for barrett is not funny, ok it is a little bit.

                          Never change Bevo.

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                          • Twodogs
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27682

                            #43
                            Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                            Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                            Who doesn't

                            Not me, that's for sure.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                            • The Adelaide Connection
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2844

                              #44
                              Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                              Just wait to you see the biblical proportion reaming we get from the umpires on Friday night. I have already planned to get to the exact amount of beers in me that I need to have all inhibitions released so I can yell out "Hashtag freekickadelaide" loud and frequently.
                              I believe the magic beer number is about 6.
                              Last edited by The Adelaide Connection; 04-07-2017, 02:17 AM.

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                              • bulldogsthru&thru
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • May 2011
                                • 8048

                                #45
                                Re: #Freekickoppositionteams

                                I didn't see any of the game on the weekend, but on the footy shows monday night, both showed how the holding the ball rule has been lost on everyone. A few of the examples involved our game and all of these were us tackling the eagles.....i cannot say how bewildering those non-calls were. In one example, the eagles player stiff-armed two of our players before being tackled and dropping the ball.....yet it was play-on. Either the umpires made several mistakes or they were trying not to give us free kicks after the media reports during the week.

                                Friday night scares me.

                                Also i am in no way suggesting the umpiring lost us the game. It wasn't even close to being the case. But the integrity of the umpires is starting to be questioned when 2 performances from them have been strange in the 2 weeks following media reports of complaints of favouritism to us (vs Sydney and last week)

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