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  • mjp
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7363

    Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

    OK. I know, I know. This is supposed to be up Tuesday and there are a couple of gaps accordingly...but between footy training (Monday and Tuesday night), Match Committee (Tuesday night) and the two hour time difference, it is now or never.

    For those who dont know, I moved back to Perth this year and actually have a Dockers membership as well as my collection of Dogs ones, simply because that is the only way to go to a footy game over here...so I have seen Freo live on three occasions thus far:
    - Vs Geelong
    - Vs Richmond
    - Vs Hawthorn.

    I have made a couple of assumptions - like, people know who the Dogs injuries are, the Dogs style of play etc - so have left that stuff out. If you want it, please simply comment to that effect and I will add it in there!

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    MATCH:
    Fremantle vs Western Bulldogs
    Sunday May 18th, Subiaco Oval.

    2:40pm (local time - 4:40pm eastern)

    FORM THIS SEASON:
    Bulldogs
    6 wins, 1 draw (against the Tigers).

    Fremantle
    5 close losses – including heart breakers against Geelong and Melbourne in rounds 6 and 7, 1 thumping (from Richmond) and 1 win (against the hapless West Coast)

    PLAYERS MISSING:

    Freo Injury list (May 9th)

    Matthew Carr, ankle – 2-3 weeks
    Antoni Grover, quad soreness – test – EXPECT to PLAY
    Roger Hayden, hamstring soreness – test – EXPECT to PLAY
    Des Headland, knee – test – EXPECT to MISS
    Luke McPharlin, buttock – test – EXPECT to PLAY
    Luke Pratt, ankle – TBA
    Luke Webster, knee – Round 12
    Paul Hasleby, knee – Season

    LAST MEETING:
    TIO Stadium (Darwin), Round 12 2007
    Western Bulldogs (22-9-141) defeated Fremantle (16-19-115)

    Goals - B Johnson 5, M Hahn 3, R Murphy 2, L Darcy 2, M Boyd 2, J Akermanis 2, A Cooney, D Giansiracusa, J Harbrow, S Higgins, F Ray, S West
    Best -
    Goals -M Pavlich 3, D Headland 2, D Solomon 2, C Tarrant 2, S Dodd, A Sandilands, D Mundy, R Warnock, J Walker, H Black, P Bell

    We really ran away from them after half-time that night defying the steamy conditions to with a 5.1 third term that gave us a narrow lead (1 point - 15.6 (96) to 13.17 (95)) before finishing them off with a 7.3 to the Dockers' 3.2 fourth quarter.
    Fremantle then got in all sorts of trouble at an after match function (hello Mr Tarrant) and we entered the mid-season break with a record of 7 wins, 5 losses.
    Brownlow Votes:
    Johnson (WB) - 3, Bell (FD) – 2, Boyd (WB) - 1
    PLAYERS UNDER THE PUMP:
    Bulldogs

    Josh Hill – Started the season like a house on fire, but has certainly cooled off since round 3. Needs to get back to playing some basic, one-on-one footy (good starting points) rather than trying to get every possession in 50m of space.

    Not too many others, which is what happens I guess when you are undefeated after 7 weeks.

    Freo
    Scott Thornton – poor – very poor – last week against Melbourne and not exactly on fire before then. If he survives the chop he needs to get back to the aggressive running that has been admired from him in the past.

    Chris Tarrant – Remains under pressure, and the Freo faithful have no real affection for him (which the press know, so he is always listed in the paper as under pressure) but the reason is simple – he is not working hard enough. Once it was said he worked harder than an on-baller – now he barely works harder than a Fevola.

    STYLE:
    Freo will try and play a loosey behind the ball – this often ends up as Mundy. He will either start in the hole and push forward, or start on a wing/half forward and push through the contest to set up position behind the ball. They will then try to work that loose player into space in the centre square and use him as the outlet player from a wide exit from the defensive zone…(they will switch back and forth trying to get the ball to Hayden or McPharlin as they seem to be the designated kickers). All fine in theory, and (as Geelong found out) it can be pretty devastating if they are able to hit targets and get players from half back flowing downfield in numbers.

    When it goes wrong though, boy does it go wrong. Freo have 3 defenders – Hayden, McPharlin and Grover (add Drum to this if he gets a game) – who seem to understand that they actually have opponents, with the others seemingly being told to focus on run and carry more than manning up. So, if they lose possession with a disposal error – or if the opposition is simply prepared to work harder than them to get numbers to the contest –the opposition will kick an easy goal on the rebound.

    Like all teams I guess, turnovers are death, but for Fremantle and the fact that their mids continually miss targets/get outworked and their defenders are so keen to roll the dice…well, it equals even more trouble.

    KEY DUELS:
    Ben Hudson vs Aaron Sandilands
    Last time I watched the Dockers at Subi, Sandilands had 42 hitouts, 24 possessions (20 contested) and 2 goals. He was an absolute monster, and effectively won them the game (even though they lost!). BUT. When Geelong kicked goals in a hurry – 2nd q and 4th q – Sandilands was the man in the centre square and centre clearances to the Cats fired both revivals. So I really have no idea what to think. I know this though – I have seen Sandilands compete hard like that ONCE. I have seen Hudson do it in every single game I have watched him play. Hudson’s relentless effort at the contest – supported by Minson – will be too much for the Fremantle monster to overcome, particularly if Harvey doesn’t play Warnock, tries to use Gilmore as Sandilands backup and consequently burns Sandilands out as he realises 10 minutes in he has only one ruckman.

    Ryan Crowley vs Adam Cooney
    In the wreck that has become Freo’s season, Gisborne boy Crowley has reinvented himself as a close checking midfielder. He has collected the scalps of Gary Ablett and Nathan Jones in the last two rounds, and has to be odds on to pick up the competitions most damaging midfielder (2008 season, rounds 1-7 category) in Adam Cooney. Crowley is quick and good overhead and will run forward – he has turned into a very dangerous run with player. Cooney should be too quick off the mark for him – should be – but a Crowley will stick at it and Adam needs to set himself for a tough night.

    Other Mids? Boyd goes at it with Palmer (Freo’s most effective midfielder at the moment!), Cross and Bell fight it out. I suspect Ibbotson will play in the middle, but would love to see him and Hill go at it on one wing.

    Matthew Pavlich vs Brian Lake
    Pavlich is interesting. He rarely misses, and rarely plays a shocker. Given. But for those of us who see more than the highlights, you are always left thinking that he always leaves a little bit of something in the tank. The Melbourne game was classic Pavlich – two late goals in the 3rd that could have sealed it…he went into the centre square at the start of the last, but couldn’t touch it and Melbourne kicked two goals. He then went FORWARD – not back?? – and had zero influence on the rest of the contest. Lake – to me – is the opposite. He always seems at his best when things aren’t going the teams way – and he has gone FORWARD to provide a contest and take a grab at a couple of opportune moments this year.

    Pavlich has the pedigree, the speed, the skills and the reputation. But he is in for one helluva get go on one player who will take it to him when the opposition have the ball.

    Jeff Farmer vs Dale Morris
    Don’t believe the bad things you read about Farmer – he is a very, very, very team focussed player – at times his unselfishness costs his team. He doesn’t have the spring of earlier days, but if he could get rid of the fumbles that have plagued him below his knees for the past 3 weeks would again be amongst the games leading small forwards. Morris is just the player for him (though I suspect Eade will go with Callan) as he will defend first, run off second, and Farmer needs to be watched. If he and Pavlich can be kept off the scorers sheet, the Bulldogs WILL win. (And yes, this means that Callan takes Mayne which is a match-up I kind of like.).

    Robert Murphy vs David Mundy
    I am not convinced about this, and believe that Marcus Drum is the right match-up for Murphy – who has the cleanest hands in the business – but Harvey seems at a loss on how to use Drum and I suspect Mundy will get the job. Mundy WILL zone off – that is what he does – and can be dangerous with the ball in hand, but he needs to understand that the Dogs attack through Murphy and cut off his leads.

    Other Dogs forwards? Grover will take Welsh, McPharlin should take Johnno, Dodd goes to Hahn. I really have no idea who they put on Minson…unless it is McPharlin there is really no-one else. In that case, Dodd has to take Johnno which leaves someone like Thornton or Drum on Hahn…

    WHO WILL WIN & WHY?
    Fremantle could very easily win this game. They have shown in the last two weeks that they have the talent, and the ability to score heavily. But they have also shown that they can leak goals and miss targets when the heat is really on.
    The Bulldogs have done nothing so far this season to suggest that they will allow Fremantle them to out-number them at the contest – which is the pre-requisite for success at Subiaco oval – but one thing has me concerned.
    Richmond.
    The Dogs had every right to expect that they would beat the Tigers, and were simply outworked – they did not put in the same level of effort that they displayed vs the Swans. And I worry about this. I worry they will treat the trip – coming after a week off and time with family/friends being told how well they are going as an extended holiday. Whilst Fremantle are seething about losing to Melbourne in very poor circumstances and having the whole town tell them they are not up to it and a disgrace to each other, the club, their families, their home towns, their states and their nation. I reckon the Dockers will have a go. And if we aren’t ready for it, we will not get the chocolates.

    Bulldogs by 29 points.
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
  • ledge
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2007
    • 14303

    #2
    Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

    Well this game i see as Streets biggest chance to get a game, he has been killing them in the seconds and i imagine Sandilands would be the best match up for Street to take on this season.
    To me if he doesnt get a game against Sandilands his only chance of playing for us again is because of injury.
    Does anyone agree?
    Bring back the biff

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 66687

      #3
      Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

      Originally posted by ledge
      Well this game i see as Streets biggest chance to get a game, he has been killing them in the seconds and i imagine Sandilands would be the best match up for Street to take on this season.
      To me if he doesnt get a game against Sandilands his only chance of playing for us again is because of injury.
      Does anyone agree?
      I agree we need Street for his height, but who would you drop?
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      • ledge
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2007
        • 14303

        #4
        Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

        Thats my point if he cant get a game this week,it means we dont have anyone that Eade thinks should be dropped for him even if he is perfect opponent for Sandilands.
        Depending on weather could make difference too.
        Eades problem not mine thank god.
        Bring back the biff

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        • 1eyedog
          Hall of Fame
          • Mar 2008
          • 13234

          #5
          Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

          Originally posted by bornadog
          I agree we need Street for his height, but who would you drop?
          We would have to drop Minson and that ain't gonna happen IMO. Street will not play. Huddo will work hard at ground level to make up for lack of hit outs and our mids will have to read Sandilands out of the air. We could lose this no two ways about it, it's a tougher game than we think but I don't think our boys will be taking it lightly.

          Scraggers by 21 points.
          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #6
            Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

            3 keys to beating the Dockers - Pressure ,Pressure ,Pressure!!!!

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            • Bulldog Revolution
              Coaching Staff
              • Dec 2006
              • 3925

              #7
              Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

              Originally posted by mjp

              Chris Tarrant – Remains under pressure, and the Freo faithful have no real affection for him (which the press know, so he is always listed in the paper as under pressure) but the reason is simple – he is not working hard enough. Once it was said he worked harder than an on-baller – now he barely works harder than a Fevola.

              Jeff Farmer vs Dale Morris
              Don’t believe the bad things you read about Farmer – he is a very, very, very team focussed player – at times his unselfishness costs his team. He doesn’t have the spring of earlier days, but if he could get rid of the fumbles that have plagued him below his knees for the past 3 weeks would again be amongst the games leading small forwards. Morris is just the player for him (though I suspect Eade will go with Callan) as he will defend first, run off second, and Farmer needs to be watched. If he and Pavlich can be kept off the scorers sheet, the Bulldogs WILL win. (And yes, this means that Callan takes Mayne which is a match-up I kind of like.).
              Nice one mjp

              Spent a bit of time in Perth just before the start of the season and took the train to Freo to have a look around. Went to the Freo ground and had a look in the Sth Freo rooms etc.

              Was asking some of the people around (who were not associated with Freo) who were the players who worked really hard, answer JFarmer by a mile, always working on his shots for goals, his snaps, set shots etc, very dedicated.

              Although perhaps not the athlete of yesteryear I still rate Farmer highly

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              • The Coon Dog
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7579

                #8
                Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                The problem with Freo is they're like a lucky dip you got as a kid; you just didn't really know what you were going to get.

                Great preview mjp, thought you'd get this one.

                Lake v Pavlich is going to be crucial. Win that battle & it's significant in the overall scheme of things.

                Can't understand why anyone would contemplate bringing in Street. Ruck our ruckmen against Sandilands. If he's too tall, jump into him to make it difficult for him to tap with any direction. I'd back our midfield regardless of ruckwork.

                Midfield run & carry will be crucial, consequently I think Farren Ray may come into the team, but I'm blowed if I know at whose expense.

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                • 1eyedog
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 13234

                  #9
                  Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                  Originally posted by The Coon Dog

                  Midfield run & carry will be crucial, consequently I think Farren Ray may come into the team, but I'm blowed if I know at whose expense.
                  Agreed, could see Hill for Ray this Sunday.
                  But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                  • ledge
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 14303

                    #10
                    Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                    Can't understand why anyone would contemplate bringing in Street. Ruck our ruckmen against Sandilands. If he's too tall, jump into him to make it difficult for him to tap with any direction. I'd back our midfield regardless of ruckwork.

                    Im not worried if Street plays or not, just saying if Street was to get a game this year you would think his best chance was against Sandilands.
                    Otherwise barring injuries can you see Street getting a better match up in any other teams to get a game?
                    He is doing a great job at Willy but sadly for him we cant find a spot for him, even if there looks like a match up in the opposition.
                    Which because of our great first team perfomances tells me Street will struggle to stay on list in the future.
                    Bring back the biff

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                    • Dry Rot
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6444

                      #11
                      Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                      Originally posted by mjp
                      Matthew Pavlich vs Brian Lake
                      Pavlich is interesting. He rarely misses, and rarely plays a shocker. Given. But for those of us who see more than the highlights, you are always left thinking that he always leaves a little bit of something in the tank. The Melbourne game was classic Pavlich – two late goals in the 3rd that could have sealed it…he went into the centre square at the start of the last, but couldn’t touch it and Melbourne kicked two goals. He then went FORWARD – not back?? – and had zero influence on the rest of the contest. Lake – to me – is the opposite. He always seems at his best when things aren’t going the teams way – and he has gone FORWARD to provide a contest and take a grab at a couple of opportune moments this year.

                      Pavlich has the pedigree, the speed, the skills and the reputation. But he is in for one helluva get go on one player who will take it to him when the opposition have the ball.
                      Great preview mjp.

                      Haven't seen much of Freo but IIRC Pavlich can play further up the field - who would go with him then?
                      The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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                      • Big Dog

                        #12
                        Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                        Wonder if Pavlich will be too quick for Lake on the lead? Pavlich is strong but also very quick and smart...Wonder if Morris being our best defender and very quick might be a better match up for Pavlich.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66687

                          #13
                          Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                          Originally posted by Big Dog
                          Wonder if Pavlich will be too quick for Lake on the lead? Pavlich is strong but also very quick and smart...Wonder if Morris being our best defender and very quick might be a better match up for Pavlich.
                          Didn't Morris play on him in Darwin last year? I think you right that this will be the match up.
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                          • Bumper Bulldogs
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 2966

                            #14
                            Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                            Fantastic review,

                            I am nervous about this one, i think that the media is getting stuck into the Players and the coach.

                            We will need to be up and going from the bounce as i don't think we will be able to pull back a lead if they get their tails up.

                            Dogs by 5 points.
                            BB.

                            Looking forward - Naughton, Darcy and JUH. It will be the envy of everyone.

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                            • Mantis
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 15444

                              #15
                              Re: Round 8 2008 - Bulldogs vs Freo Preview

                              Originally posted by Bumper Bulldogs
                              Fantastic review,

                              I am nervous about this one, i think that the media is getting stuck into the Players and the coach.

                              We will need to be up and going from the bounce as i don't think we will be able to pull back a lead if they get their tails up.

                              Dogs by 5 points.
                              Considering in there last 2 games they have let slip big leads I wouldn't get to worried if we are behind early on. In an earlier thread it was stated that Freo are a very poor 4th qtr team whereas we are one of the best.

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