Trade Period Reactions

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Media reactions:


The Age

Hayden Crozier’s a handy replacement [for Stringer] and Trengove is a solid citizen. Former No. 2 pick Josh Schache still has plenty of time to make an impact. They have two picks inside 16 for master recruiter Simon Dalrymple to replenish their list.

- Peter Ryan

Herald Sun

“While Stringer has left, the Dogs have brought in a key defender (Jackson Trengove), key forward (Josh Schache) and half back flanker/outside midfielder (Hayden Crozier) and secured them with great deals. Trengove was a free agent but to get Schache, a pick No.2 only two years ago, for picks 25 and 40 was brilliant.

“In effect, the Dogs have traded Stringer for Schache. I still rate Schache really highly and think he will develop into a good AFL player. He marks well on the lead and is an accurate set shot for goal, he’s a beautiful kick — those types of players are very hard to find. I have no doubt he will thrive being back in his home state and around his family and friends. I think they’ve got a beauty.”

- Gary Buckenara



Schache, 20, passed a Bulldogs medical on Wednesday night and then nervously tracked his last-gasp trade to Whitten Oval from home in Seymour.

Brisbane Lions rejected an initial offer of pick 25 for Schache and then granted the youngster’s homecoming wish when the Dogs added pick 40 to the deal.

The kid with a beautiful set-shot — likened to a fluent golf swing by recruiters in 2015 — will finally shake the contract spotlight that has burdened him all season.

Suddenly, the Dogs go to the draft with selections No.9 and 16 with Schache, Fremantle’s Hayden Crozier and Port Adelaide’s Jackson Trengove all set to join for pre-season.

- Sam Landsberger

Fox Sports

“When it came to the finish line, I think they’ve done extremely well. Jackson Trengove will help them, Hayden Crozier’s better than what we’ve seen and better for coming home and they’ve done the right thing bringing Josh Schache in.”

- Chris Pelchen

Champion Data

“They traded a forward for unders but then got in a player from Brisbane for unders. Key forwards take time, you look at West Coast’s Josh Kennedy at the same time as Josh Schache and they’re on a similar path. He’ll appreciate playing in a better team and within two years he will be a permanent member in their best 22.”

[Happy Days]

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Wow reading that Age write-up you'd never guess that their funding has been slashed and morale around the paper is at rock bottom.

[Axe Man]

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Chris Pelchen says: “When it came to the finish line, I think they’ve done extremely well. They missed a trick early by not pulling the trigger on Jake Stringer … but they recovered their position extremely well and finished well ahead of tape. Jackson Trengove will help them, Hayden Crozier’s better than what we’ve seen and better for coming home and they’ve done the right thing bringing Josh Schache in.”

We missed a trick by not accepting a pick upgrade for Stringer which would have resulted in us either: having no currency for Schache; having to trade a player to obtain Schache; or having to trade 11 out anyway as part of a deal for Schache. Yeah really missed a trick there Pelican.

[Twodogs]

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Wow reading that Age write-up you'd never guess that their funding has been slashed and morale around the paper is at rock bottom.

Heh! If it wasn't so accurate it would be funny!

[Bulldog Joe]

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Have tried to follow from afar as I am currently overseas and everything was happening when I couldn't logon.

Initial disappointment and particularly that Essendon got the trade that the manoeuvred, but very happy with the final outcome from our perspective.

[Twodogs]

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We've picked up 3 best 22 players from other clubs. That doesn't often happen.

[Ghost Dog]

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Love the part about Shaq's kicking.

[boydogs]

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We were involved in the two biggest bargains of the trade period - the seller in one and the buyer in the other

Our trading team deserves props though as it's not their fault they had damaged goods to trade out in Stringer, but it is their good work that we were able to get Schache to come here

[G-Mo77]

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We missed a trick by not accepting a pick upgrade for Stringer which would have resulted in us either: having no currency for Schache; having to trade a player to obtain Schache; or having to trade 11 out anyway as part of a deal for Schache. Yeah really missed a trick there Pelican.

But we traded out our 2017 and 2018 2nd Rounder to get this Stringer deal done. When this one dropped my initial though was the first offer was better as we kept our 2018 Pick. The deal did give us currency to obtain Shache but can't help but feel we could have anyway with some other movement. It evened out, we got a bum deal for Stringer, I don't care what anyone says, it was ordinary but we got Shache for very little as well.

Overall I think we've done well. Trengove came in for nothing, Crozier cost very little and have a very young and talented big forward to work with while keeping #9 and obtaining #16. Not pleased about losing our 2018 2nd but all the dust settled I was pretty happy.

[Eastdog]

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Well I'm glad it's all over now. I think we had to move on Stringer as the divide between him and Bevo clearly was there and there didn't look like way back. Will be a bit frustrated if he does alright at the Bombers but at the same time I think this couldn't go on the Stringer situation.

On the players we brought in hopefully they are very strong contributors. Trengove will be very useful down in defence helping out guys like Lewis Young who seems like he will be a great future player. Crozier I'm hoping will thrive in a new environment under Bevo and Schache up forward.

[bulldogtragic]

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I was thinking more upon the 2018 second rounder. Say it's pick 30 for argument sake. If only one of West or Khamis get nominated before 30 next draft and we match the bid then we will lose that pick 30. That's a good possibility, so we are really only losing the draft points attached to it.

If you look at the points out, factoring in the 4th rounder extra points in from Freo, if we traded a player for pick 50 & 51, we have recouped all of that second round loss. So overall, because it's DVI related next year, the loss is possibly as low as pick 50 & 51 as opposed to Pick 30 (2nd rounder). Plus we got Schache, and didn't give up a player. It just means we will be on the hunt for points through trade.

[Dry Rot]

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I was thinking more upon the 2018 second rounder. Say it's pick 30 for argument sake. If only one of West or Khamis get nominated before 30 next draft and we match the bid then we will lose that pick 30. That's a good possibility, so we are really only losing the draft points attached to it.

If you look at the points out, factoring in the 4th rounder extra points in from Freo, if we traded a player for pick 50 & 51, we have recouped all of that second round loss. So overall, because it's DVI related next year, the loss is possibly as low as pick 50 & 51 as opposed to Pick 30 (2nd rounder). Plus we got Schache, and didn't give up a player. It just means we will be on the hunt for points through trade.

Hasn't there been some change to the rules so that you can't just combine many lower picks to get one player?

[Dry Rot]

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I was thinking more upon the 2018 second rounder. Say it's pick 30 for argument sake. If only one of West or Khamis get nominated before 30 next draft

What's the story with Kharmis? Is he any good? A tall forward? I want more of them....

[bulldogtragic]

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What's the story with Kharmis? Is he any good? A tall forward? I want more of them....

Check out the father/son thread. I put a heap of updates Khamis in there. I'm excited more than anything by his trajectory up the charts. He went a long way in only 12 months, he's apparently training with the club over summer so hopefully we should get a good look at him. Hopefully some woofers are at training to us a front seat to him.

[boydogs]

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I was thinking more upon the 2018 second rounder. Say it's pick 30 for argument sake. If only one of West or Khamis get nominated before 30 next draft and we match the bid then we will lose that pick 30. That's a good possibility, so we are really only losing the draft points attached to it.

The draft points system is very broken. It was discussed in detail when it first came in but not as much this year, yet this year really highlighted the problems with it. Clubs did some very unbalanced trades points wise, valuing early picks much higher than a combination of later picks worth the same points value

Just look at the offers for Stringer - 11 & 46 for Stringer & 28 valued Stringer at about 18, then after 11 went to GWS, the offer went "down" to 25 & 30 which is actually valued at pick 10 - yet we wouldn't take that, instead we got Carlton involved to get pick 16, and we downgraded our 2018 2nd rounder to 2017 pick 40 to achieve that

If it's considered a shallow draft, you will see early picks valued over an equivalent-on-points combination of later picks. If it's considered a deep draft, it will be the other way around, though we haven't seen that yet so you may say the valuations are out of balance

In a shallow draft, teams with academy or F/S players have a big advantage, as they can accumulate a lot of points with late picks without giving up much with early picks, given how much teams are valuing early picks in relation to late picks

Another problem is clubs must use their next pick to pay for the player - if that's more than enough then they get a later pick back, if it's not enough then their next pick come in to it as well and so on to the point that they can actually go into debt for the next year. That means they can't accumulate late picks to pay for the player unless they trade out the earlier pick, but there is nothing stopping them from making that trade which defeats the purpose of making clubs use their next pick to pay for the player

Our strategy to trade our 2018 2nd rounder away was a good one as that pick will be worth more to other clubs than to us, as to us it was just getting in the way of us doing points trades for late picks to pay for our players cheaply