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  • Dry Rot
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 6444

    Do we have a goal kicking coach?

    Saints just got one

    Ex-Hawk gets to work fixing Saints' goalkicking



    Do we have one?
    The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.
  • Greystache
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775

    #2
    Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

    I doubt it. I was told our view is it will take care of itself as the players get older. This was 2 years ago and we were about 10th for accuracy at the time. We're dead last now and getting worse.
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    • MrMahatma
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2007
      • 3966

      #3
      Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

      Makes sense that the sport will continue to get specialist coaches for every part of the game.

      We should get one.

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      • Twodogs
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 27655

        #4
        Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

        Originally posted by Dry Rot
        Saints just got one

        Ex-Hawk gets to work fixing Saints' goalkicking



        Do we have one?
        Good question. We don't have a specialist goalkicking coach and haven't had for a while. i guess the role falls under the purview of the forward line coach.

        Originally posted by Greystache
        I doubt it. I was told our view is it will take care of itself as the players get older. This was 2 years ago and we were about 10th for accuracy at the time. We're dead last now and getting worse.
        How does that even work? They learn by their errors in kicking for goal? They quite obviously aren't in fact we are getting worse as you pointed out.
        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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        • ledge
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2007
          • 14314

          #5
          Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

          Won a flag without one
          Bring back the biff

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44662

            #6
            Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

            We have needed to improve our kicking for a long while now in fact it was one of Bevo's primary focus when he arrived at the club. I don't believe it's a huge priority for our recruitment process so we need to employ some specialist coaching resources.
            It's interesting to me that we introduced a handball club but I don't think we have for our kicking. Right across the park we need to improve and especially our set shot goal kicking routines.
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            • Twodogs
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 27655

              #7
              Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

              Originally posted by ledge
              Won a flag without one

              I'd say despite not having one. We found a way around it and had our best goalkicking performance for the year (7.1) in the first half of the grand final.
              They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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              • boydogs
                WOOF Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 5844

                #8
                Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                Originally posted by Twodogs
                I'd say despite not having one. We found a way around it and had our best goalkicking performance for the year (7.1) in the first half of the grand final.
                It's partly related to our lack of permanent forwards, which helps us in the midfield. To fix the goalkicking, throw 6 Tory Dickson's in the side but then the midfield would suffer and he wouldn't get it kicked to him
                If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                Formerly gogriff

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                • Twodogs
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27655

                  #9
                  Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                  Originally posted by boydogs
                  It's partly related to our lack of permanent forwards, which helps us in the midfield. To fix the goalkicking, throw 6 Tory Dickson's in the side but then the midfield would suffer and he wouldn't get it kicked to him
                  My main frustration is with the player's individual goalkicking techniques. They are uniformly lousy but could be much improved with some really basic tuition. Some of the things some do as they are taking shots for goal are basic rookie errors but basic rookie errors they have been committing for years now.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • BornInDroopSt'54
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 5268

                    #10
                    Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                    Originally posted by Twodogs
                    My main frustration is with the player's individual goalkicking techniques. They are uniformly lousy but could be much improved with some really basic tuition. Some of the things some do as they are taking shots for goal are basic rookie errors but basic rookie errors they have been committing for years now.
                    Extremely frustrating because goal kicking techniques is very teachable. I personally taught Simon Beasley (well I sent him a hand written letter welcoming him to the club and telling him to pretend he was at training when he lined up) and he went on to be one of the all time accurate kicks for goal, despite having some early nerves.
                    Seriously goal kicking is teachable and I can't believe we don't have a coach. Dickson, the Bont, Redders and I suspect Schachse don't need it but the rest make me weep. We won the premiership from weight of forward entries, are still good at this yet so inefficient at finishing.
                    One tip is to look at the right post and plan to miss it to the left, then look at the left post and plan to miss it to the right. You then get a better, more specific sense of the space than just aiming at the middle.
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                    • hujsh
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 11844

                      #11
                      Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                      Originally posted by BornInDroopSt'54
                      Extremely frustrating because goal kicking techniques is very teachable. I personally taught Simon Beasley (well I sent him a hand written letter welcoming him to the club and telling him to pretend he was at training when he lined up) and he went on to be one of the all time accurate kicks for goal, despite having some early nerves.
                      Seriously goal kicking is teachable and I can't believe we don't have a coach. Dickson, the Bont, Redders and I suspect Schachse don't need it but the rest make me weep. We won the premiership from weight of forward entries, are still good at this yet so inefficient at finishing.
                      One tip is to look at the right post and plan to miss it to the left, then look at the left post and plan to miss it to the right. You then get a better, more specific sense of the space than just aiming at the middle.
                      Oh yes he does. He was horrid this year in that aspect of his game
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                      • Twodogs
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27655

                        #12
                        Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                        Originally posted by BornInDroopSt'54
                        Extremely frustrating because goal kicking techniques is very teachable. I personally taught Simon Beasley (well I sent him a hand written letter welcoming him to the club and telling him to pretend he was at training when he lined up) and he went on to be one of the all time accurate kicks for goal, despite having some early nerves.
                        Seriously goal kicking is teachable and I can't believe we don't have a coach. Dickson, the Bont, Redders and I suspect Schachse don't need it but the rest make me weep. We won the premiership from weight of forward entries, are still good at this yet so inefficient at finishing.
                        One tip is to look at the right post and plan to miss it to the left, then look at the left post and plan to miss it to the right. You then get a better, more specific sense of the space than just aiming at the middle.
                        I find its better just to keep your head over the ball past the moment it impacts with your boot-much like driving a golf ball-sometimes I just can't watch when a player runs in with head in the air staring intently at the goals.

                        Goalkicking is remarkably simple. All you have to have to remember are four things. 1. Walk to the top of your mark and take a deep breath 2. run in in a straight line 3. stand upright and keep your head over the ball as you kick it 4. drop the ball on your foot don't guide it.
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • merantau
                          Coaching Staff
                          • May 2015
                          • 4062

                          #13
                          Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                          A goal is worth 6 times more than a behind. A goal kicking/kicking coach seems a no-brainer to me. Think about it. 12 .8 - 80 is 60% accuracy from 20 shots. Theoretically your opponents could kick 0.20 - 20 is zero accuracy and a 60 point loss! But let's be more charitable. 8.12 .60 is 40% accuracy and a comfortable win for the victors. It's not always the best team that wins; in a close game, it's more often than not, the most accurate team that wins.
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                          • ratsmac
                            Coaching Staff
                            • May 2009
                            • 3975

                            #14
                            Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                            We are the team who out of all the teams are desperately in need of a kicking coach. Had we kicked more accurate we would of made finals this year and gave ourselves a chance of defending the premiership. It's criminal that we don't have a designated kicking coach. I really hope we are in the market for one.
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                            • merantau
                              Coaching Staff
                              • May 2015
                              • 4062

                              #15
                              Re: Do we have a goal kicking coach?

                              Thinking about it missing set shots is a bit like dropping catches in cricket. I wonder how many matches have been lost due to dropped catches. I would suggest PLENTY!
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