AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

[LostDoggy]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

On the up side the buskers on the bridge have improved this year.

[AndrewP6]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

Bevo hanging his hat on a half quarter improvement. Also says you can't question the boys' hunger... Bloody hell.

[Bornadog]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

You can talk all about the MC, or the coach, or shifting players around, but if your best footballers turn over the ball like they did today in that second quarter, you have no hope. eg JJ, a man we are paying 500/600k a year, kicks the ball across the ground and can't hit the player on the chest, in fact kicks it over his head and bang WC goal. This happened time and time again and they kicked easy goals.

[GVGjr]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

You can talk all about the MC, or the coach, or shifting players around, but if your best footballers turn over the ball like they did today in that second quarter, you have no hope. eg JJ, a man we are paying 500/600k a year, kicks the ball across the ground and can't hit the player on the chest, in fact kicks it over his head and bang WC goal. This happened time and time again and they kicked easy goals.

I get that but I'm 99% sure when Bevo arrived at the club he said he was going to improve our skills especially on our opposite foot.
If we think that has happened then the coaches and Bevo get a pass but if they have actually stagnated or perhaps even gone backwards then I think it's more than fair to ask questions if our coaches are getting enough out of the playing list.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

Bevo hanging his hat on a half quarter improvement. Also says you can't question the boys' hunger... Bloody hell.

Cherry picking a phrase from what was an otherwise very honest and critical assessment of the team's performance.
He's got 20 games left in the season and he needs to get the group's confidence from falling through the floor. And you want him to say ' Yep clearly this group has no hunger? Gimme a break.
Its one thing for we armchair warriors disconnected from the club to question hunger and intent, but if an AFL coach in Rnd 2 said his team had lost their hunger that coach would be consigning his team and his own job down the drain.

The unforced error count today saw us get eviscerated THAT was the biggest problem today and Beverage called that out.

[SonofScray]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

Going to be a very long year folks. Devoid of joy. Just sitting, waiting to be dealt with by older, stronger, more skilled and better coached outfits. Lack of experience in the back line a real killer, injuries the twisting knife and the performance of our legendary, drought breaking coaching panel the bitter pill to swallow. These two performances have been terrible from selection through to siren.

Reckon the players mostly were prepared to have a go. Some atrocious skills and physical efforts, lacking in ferocity at times but mostly they looked a team lacking purpose. No confidence in where to go, what to do. The heat is in our coaching panel, in a big way. I can see mid season sackings in the mix.

[Bornadog]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

I get that but I'm 99% sure when Bevo arrived at the club he said he was going to improve our skills especially on our opposite foot.
If we think that has happened then the coaches and Bevo get a pass but if they have actually stagnated or perhaps even gone backwards then I think it's more than fair to ask questions if our coaches are getting enough out of the playing list.

Can't kick it for them - we are talking blokes who have the skills.

[Eastdog]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

What a disappointing afternoon that was again.

Was sitting there at Etihad just watching a train wreck.

No cohesion at all up forward. We desperately need something to change here. Boyd, Schache, Redpath are these guys any closer to coming into the senior team.

Our midfield again not working harder enough Macrae, Mclean, Hunter were ok.

The defence absolutely woeful. We need a big strong defender to take the critical marks down there. It was just way too easy when the Eagles went into attack and so difficult when we went into attack.

Our workrate across the board is down and I'm thinking that there must be something go on behind the scenes at the Whitten Oval. Infighting or something I don't know.

Onto to next Sunday now.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

I get that but I'm 99% sure when Bevo arrived at the club he said he was going to improve our skills especially on our opposite foot.
If we think that has happened then the coaches and Bevo get a pass but if they have actually stagnated or perhaps even gone backwards then I think it's more than fair to ask questions if our coaches are getting enough out of the playing list.

Absolutely agree. Our football department have to really have a good look at their work over the last 2-3 years and ask some hard questions.
Have they placed enough emphasis on the attributes we are falling down in?
Have they not made hard calls on those who haven't improved in those key areas? And have we placed enough emphasis on recruiting players who will improve those skill deficiencies that are hurting us so much?

I can't comment on the first area. The coaches only know that. But since the flag we look to have not been effective in improving the skill short comings of those we've retained and certainly our overall list strength seems to have declined.

[GVGjr]

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Can't kick it for them - we are talking blokes who have the skills.

The question was more around if our skill level is improving or if it has stagnated?

[divvydan]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

It's a good thing we won in 2016 because it looks very bleak for this year and some to come.

[Bornadog]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

The question was more around if our skill level is improving or if it has stagnated?

Difficult to tell when we have so many young players. We have tried to recruit players who can kick. Maybe we have stagnated?

[kruder]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

We can all sit here and blame Gowers and Honey but for mine its about our leaders. Its the elephant in the room but Easton Wood and Jordan Roughead are VFL standard at present and have been for 12 months. The second quarter was crying out for leadership they were as embarrassing as any Gowers kick and Honey turnover. Its starts at the top...

[AndrewP6]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

Cherry picking a phrase from what was an otherwise very honest and critical assessment of the team's performance.
He's got 20 games left in the season and he needs to get the group's confidence from falling through the floor. And you want him to say ' Yep clearly this group has no hunger? Gimme a break.
Its one thing for we armchair warriors disconnected from the club to question hunger and intent, but if an AFL coach in Rnd 2 said his team had lost their hunger that coach would be consigning his team and his own job down the drain.

The unforced error count today saw us get eviscerated THAT was the biggest problem today and Beverage called that out.

Fair point on the group confidence, but after watching the whole presser again, I stand by my comment re: hunger. Bevo says they have got the hunger, where does that manifest itself? For 2 weeks running, numerous players lay 1 or 2 tackles or worse, fail to lay a tackle, including the captain - that’s not hunger. When the opponent goes from one end of the ground to the other almost unnoticed by us, that’s not hunger. It’s fine for them to have it, but not much good if it doesn’t show. Who are our leaders? (official or otherwise)...

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: AFL Game Day Round 2, 2018 - Western Bulldogs V West Coast Eagles at Etihad Stadium

We can all sit here and blame Gowers and Honey but for mine its about our leaders. Its the elephant in the room but Easton Wood and Jordan Roughead are VFL standard at present and have been for 12 months. The second quarter was crying out for leadership they were as embarrassing as any Gowers kick and Honey turnover. Its starts at the top...

Agreed.

HC still shouldn’t be anywhere near the senior side but the fact that he and Gowers are at least competitive whilst about 17 or 18 others aren’t is damning.

Wood and Dahlhaus should almost be dropped.