Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

[Warrnambulldog]

Cut ties (at an appropriate time) and move on. Think we’ve tried, it’s upto him now. My guess is he’ll try boxing and a lame reality tv show

[Bornadog]

Jamarra has apparently been cleared of any wrong doing just the wrong place wrong time the problem is 2 am at nightclub when both vfl and afl are playing that day isn't a good look.

He is just going to the wrong places

[jeemak]

He famously said: "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds (women) and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."

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A man after my own heart, albeit with different vices and less to squander.

[jazzadogs]

I highly doubt he's had $800K less tax dumped into his account all at once, the club/his management would be drip feeding it to him (let's say monthly at $39K a month which is still a massive chunk of change) and tying a fair bit of it up in investments. But I get your point.

To just assume he's being used is possibly a bit of a let off for mine. There's a fair chance that isn't the case and they're genuinely giving him what he wants and needs out of friends at the moment.

Obviously the 800k didn't come in a lump sum yesterday, but he has received a larger (legal) wage than 99% of 23 year olds over the last twelve months. To think there aren't people within that circle aware of that, and making it work for their means, is naive.

I'm not absolving him of his own bad decisions. But the 'friends' giving him what he wants and needs doesn't mean their intentions are sound. It does make it hard for a guy who is naive and immature, like Marra continues to show he is, to see through the bullshit and figure out who is actually on his side.

As far as he's concerned, those friends support him and let him be him, they celebrate his choices as being the right ones, "don't listen to them, listen to us, we've got your back bro, we won't try to change you, blah blah blah". Bevo and the football club want him to be someone different, a professional who adheres to team rules and expectations, and actively call him out on his poor behaviour.

[jeemak]

Obviously the 800k didn't come in a lump sum yesterday, but he has received a larger (legal) wage than 99% of 23 year olds over the last twelve months. To think there aren't people within that circle aware of that, and making it work for their means, is naive.

I'm not absolving him of his own bad decisions. But the 'friends' giving him what he wants and needs doesn't mean their intentions are sound. It does make it hard for a guy who is naive and immature, like Marra continues to show he is, to see through the bullshit and figure out who is actually on his side.

As far as he's concerned, those friends support him and let him be him, they celebrate his choices as being the right ones, "don't listen to them, listen to us, we've got your back bro, we won't try to change you, blah blah blah". Bevo and the football club want him to be someone different, a professional who adheres to team rules and expectations, and actively call him out on his poor behaviour.

And each party is wanting him to be their best version of him, under your summation.

Hypothetically with JUH you have two conflicting parties (at least) wanting what they think is best for him, and he's choosing which is making him more comfortable. That's the point I'm trying to make, and you or I can pretend we know what's what, and who is better for him, based on our own biases. But we don't know shit, we just hide behind or project our own standards.

[merantau]

A couple of points.
1. If he never plays another game of AFL, but makes a happy life for himself then he's been successful

2. If he leaves us to have a successful career with another club then we've failed.

3. If he ends up broke and friendless - a footnote in sporting history - then that is a tragedy.

Unfortunately, the world of boxing is full of examples of young men who've been exploited by hangers-on and have ended up with nothing.

I wish him well and, whatever the outcome, I hope he ends up feeling happy with no regrets.

[dukedog]

I Don't know all the details. But if hes hangin around guys who are capable of pulling a trigger at someone or is the one being shot at unless its mass shooting style and unlucky. Hes a ****en idiot. So many people work their ass off to live the dream of playing AFL footy. He clearly is as dumb as he appears to be. We actually don't need him. Id have croft play over him. just cut him off the list and save face as a club like you dont tolerate this behaviour. This woke shit about supporting blah blah. Its too much now. Set a standard to players who get paid good money for a short period of time. I actually think hes been given a longer leash coz hes indigenous,which is wrong. I support indigenous people.

[Jasper]

He's grabbing the headlines for all the wrong reasons, and I doubt the club and even the AFL want to be linked to his name.
In the main everyone has been supportive of JUH as he deals with whatever challenges he has but there does not seem to be any improvement and it's getting a lot worse.

[Grantysghost]

Obviously the 800k didn't come in a lump sum yesterday, but he has received a larger (legal) wage than 99% of 23 year olds over the last twelve months. To think there aren't people within that circle aware of that, and making it work for their means, is naive.

I'm not absolving him of his own bad decisions. But the 'friends' giving him what he wants and needs doesn't mean their intentions are sound. It does make it hard for a guy who is naive and immature, like Marra continues to show he is, to see through the bullshit and figure out who is actually on his side.

As far as he's concerned, those friends support him and let him be him, they celebrate his choices as being the right ones, "don't listen to them, listen to us, we've got your back bro, we won't try to change you, blah blah blah". Bevo and the football club want him to be someone different, a professional who adheres to team rules and expectations, and actively call him out on his poor behaviour.

To augment this - I think the group often changes as well.

There might be a couple of core guys but there are a lot of hangers on.

I agree that he is seeking like minded people, and he's clearly not getting that in AFL land. How would most private school kids know what it's like to be racially abused on a football field? To have your entire identity questioned in the most public of domains. So I get it. It's just very sad and endemic of society as a whole.

Personally I think putting kids like Marra into APS schools is a big mistake. From the get go they feel like second class citizens and all that comes with that psychologically. But that's something to tackle another day.

As most of us have said, his health and happiness is all that matters now. The path he is on feels like it's only leading in one direction.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

A couple of points.
1. If he never plays another game of AFL, but makes a happy life for himself then he's been successful

2. If he leaves us to have a successful career with another club then we've failed.

3. If he ends up broke and friendless - a footnote in sporting history - then that is a tragedy.

Unfortunately, the world of boxing is full of examples of young men who've been exploited by hangers-on and have ended up with nothing.

I wish him well and, whatever the outcome, I hope he ends up feeling happy with no regrets.

Not necessarily. If us sacking him is the actual wakeup call of reality hitting then we can't do much about it.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Bevo and club have been clear, Marras behaviour is not their responsibility, he won't be playing footy this year so don't ask.
Next year?
We supporters are concerned we are paying him a fortune to do his own thing but surely not next year?
We can't afford to let our anxiety about money rule our judgement no matter how clearly we think we see the situation. The club will deal with it with AFL support and media playing paparazzi with Marra.
Seems to me Marra's best opportunity in life is slipping through his fingers.
It seems obvious after Marra said in June that he lost his passion yet publicly parties in high octane situations so is lost, immature yet has great footy support.
Will he get sick of masturbatory lifestyle on rich money but not contributing?
At some stage he'll realise how he is wasting his footy opportunity perhaps forever and become a great country footballer.
Another year of the same, who will want him?
Our club is onto it and Marra is a dirty word atm, an unwanted distraction.
Wakey, wakey Marra.
I hope he doesn't think he was unlucky to be caught up in shootings at the Love Machine, where all high octane characters head for a night of hedonism.
Maybe the Cats will want him.

[ledge]

And each party is wanting him to be their best version of him, under your summation.

Hypothetically with JUH you have two conflicting parties (at least) wanting what they think is best for him, and he's choosing which is making him more comfortable. That's the point I'm trying to make, and you or I can pretend we know what's what, and who is better for him, based on our own biases. But we don't know shit, we just hide behind or project our own standards.

Forget football even if he wasn’t a footballer I would still say he is hanging with the wrong people as a parent .
Fair enough he doesn’t want to play football but look at what’s happening around him, you can’t tell me that’s good for him or anyone .
But as a football lover you can see he would be in safer / better environment with better friends .
I used to tell my kids it didn’t matter how smart or stupid you are it’s the friends you have that make you.
being comfortable with friends does not mean they are the right friends . I think our worry is where it’s heading and the signs aren’t good it’s not about football anymore .

[Jeanette54]

[QUOTE=dukedog;n1340316] I actually think hes been given a longer leash coz hes indigenous,which is wrong. /QUOTE]

I imagine this is what Jacinta Nampijinpa Price called the racialism of low expectations.

[jeemak]

Forget football even if he wasn’t a footballer I would still say he is hanging with the wrong people as a parent .
Fair enough he doesn’t want to play football but look at what’s happening around him, you can’t tell me that’s good for him or anyone .
But as a football lover you can see he would be in safer / better environment with better friends .
I used to tell my kids it didn’t matter how smart or stupid you are it’s the friends you have that make you.
being comfortable with friends does not mean they are the right friends . I think our worry is where it’s heading and the signs aren’t good it’s not about football anymore .

I'm not saying they're the right friends for him, rather, they're possibly making him feel comfortable.

We can't change them, we probably can't change him, so how do we change the environment to make it comfortable or more comfortable than where he's spending his time now? Maybe we can't, shouldn't or won't, but that's the challenge I'm trying to articulate.

Telling a bloke his friends are shit and expecting him to change his behaviour isn't going to be effective.

[ReLoad]

This whole situation makes me feel sad. Sad for him, sad for us, the folly of wasted talent.