Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

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  • Mantis
    Hall of Fame
    • Apr 2007
    • 15340

    #46
    Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

    Originally posted by Mofra

    We are getting smashed in the ruck as well. Roughy's playing hurt and Boyd only shows glimpses, not sure Campbell will play for us again. I have a sneaking suspicion Trengove will go back into the ruck with Morris, Naughton and Cordy to rotate on the opposition talls which frees Wood up to play a more intercept role and leave us with a couple of genuine running rebounders out of Williams, Richards, JJ, Suckling or Crozier.
    Given we play Port (Dixon) and North (Brown) in the next 2 weeks after the bye surely we need to play Trengove back for these roles??... but given the way we set-up in defence it doesn't matter I guess as Morris & Wood were often our deepest defenders on McDonald & Hogan and were no chance... Our defence structures & starting points haven't been the same since we changed our line coaches, but hey it's all about coach development isn't it.

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    • merantau
      Coaching Staff
      • May 2015
      • 3988

      #47
      Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

      We can forget about making finals this year. Even if a highly unlikely turn around saw us win 8 from the next 11 games our percentage is so poor we would miss out.
      So selections from now on should be made with the future in mind - who stays, who goes and, for some mentioned here, what is their ROLE in the team?
      These are the players around whom decisions have to be made: Honeychurch, Campbell, Webb, R. Smith, C. Smith, Dickson, Morris, Adams, Roberts, Jong, Roughead, Lynch (3 yrs on list, yet to play 1sts), Crozier, Biggs, Daniel, Dunckley, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Boyd.
      For mine, the last 6 are definitely best 22. We need to work out how best to use them.
      One final comment. The decision to swap coaches around has to be the most stupid ever made.
      [URL="http://journals.worldnomads.com/merantau"]http://journals.worldnomads.com/merantau[/URL]
      "It's not about the destination - it's about the trip."

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14883

        #48
        Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

        Originally posted by Mantis
        Given we play Port (Dixon) and North (Brown) in the next 2 weeks after the bye surely we need to play Trengove back for these roles??... but given the way we set-up in defence it doesn't matter I guess as Morris & Wood were often our deepest defenders on McDonald & Hogan and were no chance... Our defence structures & starting points haven't been the same since we changed our line coaches, but hey it's all about coach development isn't it.
        Morris saved us, instantly looked our best defender after a layoff which is a concern or our other defenders (although going forward I suspect Cordy/Naughton are our preferred younger duo).

        If we play all of Morris, Cordy, Naughton and Trengove back we may well be robbed of rebound run.
        Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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        • BulldogBelle
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2006
          • 5284

          #49
          Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

          Talking about excitement with a player in the two's.

          Lewis Young - Oozes class.
          The kid can be anything, only needs experience.

          English, Naughton and Richards will complete a quartet of great young players.

          If we made our prospective recruits take an IQ test before we drafted them would Gowers have got through?

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          • Mofra
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 14883

            #50
            Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

            Originally posted by James Cumming
            If we made our prospective recruits take an IQ test before we drafted them would Gowers have got through?
            We'd be ruling a line through about 80% of footballers if we did that.

            Gowers isn't our problem, he presents to the ball carrier and I still have nightmares from 10 years ago when we'd win the ball and screw around with it in the middle because we had nobody to lead to our mid, perhaps Hahn in slow motion if we were lucky.

            The game is no longer about dominating hulking KPFs and we've invested heavily in Boyd and taken Schache.
            Schache doesn't play much like a KPF from what I've seen which is actually a good thing - plays like a tall linking HF player which is more useful to us.
            Boyd is simply lucky we have the worst list of rucks in the competition (Geelong challenger) with English not ready, Roughy looking perpetually injured, Campbell has run over Bevo's cat and Trengove more a back-up than a solution.
            Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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            • Nuggety Back Pocket
              WOOF Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 2064

              #51
              Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

              Originally posted by Mofra
              Morris saved us, instantly looked our best defender after a layoff which is a concern or our other defenders (although going forward I suspect Cordy/Naughton are our preferred younger duo).

              If we play all of Morris, Cordy, Naughton and Trengove back we may well be robbed of rebound run.
              If we added Richards Wood and Johaniessen to our defence it just might be possible to try Naughton in attack.

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              • angelopetraglia
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Nov 2008
                • 6820

                #52
                Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                Originally posted by James Cumming

                If we made our prospective recruits take an IQ test before we drafted them would Gowers have got through?
                The do it in the NFL via the Wonderlic test.

                The Wonderlic test best and worse scores :http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2...ores_ever.html

                The Wonderlic test by football position:


                Great game. Predict the Wunderlic test score for AFL players?

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                • BulldogBelle
                  WOOF Member
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 5284

                  #53
                  Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                  Originally posted by Mofra

                  Campbell has run over Bevo's cat and Trengove more a back-up than a solution.
                  Its interesting that Campbell gets a lot a bad press in the forums. I am one of the few guys who like him, maybe its because I see him play about every week.

                  His initial problem was that he played the first quarter well then faded out of the game. He has kicked so many goals in the first quarter, then nothing. Right now he is in top form taking good marks around the ground and having shots at goal from beyond the 50. He is playing the game right out. He is playing better than Roughie too I suppose.

                  What's the chance that Roughie or Trengove will go out and Campbell come in? Not much chance if we are talking about Bev's poor squashed cat.

                  Also, at the moment I think that Roberts is our best chance at full-forward. At full-back Roberts has some very good games but tends to drop and fumble the ball pretty easily and fall over his own shadow sometimes when contesting for a mark. But at centre-half-forward Roberts is very dangerous, a good mark and a long accurate kick. He came to us as a forward ( as did Lewis Young). I guess it would be straining it too much to give him a gig at CHF or FF in the seniors.

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                  • Mofra
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 14883

                    #54
                    Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                    Originally posted by James Cumming
                    Its interesting that Campbell gets a lot a bad press in the forums. I am one of the few guys who like him, maybe its because I see him play about every week.
                    I'd be playing him ahead of Roughead right now, but it seems the MC just won't select him.
                    Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                    • The Bulldogs Bite
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 11153

                      #55
                      Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                      Why did we honestly keep Campbell if we refuse to select him?

                      Replace Campbell with Roberts' name and the same philosophy applies.

                      Mind boggling that we re-sign 'senior' players yet even with poor form/injuries we prefer to play kids (English and/or Dunkley/Jong in the ruck previously or Naughton/Young in the back half).

                      Note: I don't exactly rate either one of them, but if you're going to keep them then maybe play them when their form warrants.....
                      W00F!

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                      • chef
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 14588

                        #56
                        Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                        Maybe thats why Jmac quit.
                        The curse is dead.

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                        • Remi Moses
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 14785

                          #57
                          Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                          If they’re about playing players on form then T.C comes in for Roughead!
                          Roughead’s been awful
                          While we’re at it , please play JJ as a back FFS!
                          I’ve never seen a player look so lost as a forward, it honestly looks like they’ve just dropped in someone from mars and put him on the
                          Ground

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                          • josie
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 4420

                            #58
                            Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                            Originally posted by James Cumming
                            Its interesting that Campbell gets a lot a bad press in the forums. I am one of the few guys who like him, maybe its because I see him play about every week.

                            His initial problem was that he played the first quarter well then faded out of the game. He has kicked so many goals in the first quarter, then nothing. Right now he is in top form taking good marks around the ground and having shots at goal from beyond the 50. He is playing the game right out. He is playing better than Roughie too I suppose.

                            What's the chance that Roughie or Trengove will go out and Campbell come in? Not much chance if we are talking about Bev's poor squashed cat.

                            Also, at the moment I think that Roberts is our best chance at full-forward. At full-back Roberts has some very good games but tends to drop and fumble the ball pretty easily and fall over his own shadow sometimes when contesting for a mark. But at centre-half-forward Roberts is very dangerous, a good mark and a long accurate kick. He came to us as a forward ( as did Lewis Young). I guess it would be straining it too much to give him a gig at CHF or FF in the seniors.
                            I attend most vfl home matches and a few away ones (or watch them on line or on tv if broadcast). Wholeheartedly agree. Campbell deserves another shot at it. His marking around ground and 2nd and 3rd efforts when ball hits the turf, let alone his pretty good tap work.... he really has improved. Only way to find out if it translates to seniors is to give him another go. Have also like Roberts as a forward at vfl level - only problem is if he and Boyd and Schache play they are not quick (actually Schache does look reasonably mobile but needs to be more aggressive). I would like to see Cordy in forward role a bit too - he was good in that role in finals in 2016. And as mentioned in other posts I think we really need to give Webb a decent run at it as a midfielder and in forward half in seniors.

                            Against Port I would play Campbell and Webb and drop Roughy, Dickson injured. Possibly drop Daniel or JJ and give Wallis a go. If JJ not dropped needs to be played half back.

                            And for goodness sake please keep at least one of our players in forward half so we have someone to kick to when there is a turnover or quick break for us.
                            Josie :)

                            Our day will come
                            And we'll have everything.
                            We'll share the joy
                            Just like '54 again.

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                            • Ozza
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 6411

                              #59
                              Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                              Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
                              If we added Richards Wood and Johaniessen to our defence it just might be possible to try Naughton in attack.
                              Respect your view NBP, but can’t agree there on Naughton. We’ve found a kid with a clear aptitude for playing in defence, reading the play and being a genuine intercept marking player. Let’s not mess this one up by throwing him around!!

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                              • Nuggety Back Pocket
                                WOOF Member
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 2064

                                #60
                                Re: Always Right Match Committee - Round 13, 2018 vs Port Adelaide

                                Originally posted by Ozza
                                Respect your view NBP, but can’t agree there on Naughton. We’ve found a kid with a clear aptitude for playing in defence, reading the play and being a genuine intercept marking player. Let’s not mess this one up by throwing him around!!
                                My theory was that our defence and centre line is pretty much settled but our forward line is a shambles. We simply do not have one class forward. For a team that regularly gets plenty of ball in our forward 50, the conversion rate has been a disaster.

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