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  • mighty_west
    Coaching Staff
    • Feb 2008
    • 3503

    #16
    Originally posted by mjp
    This post is so on the money.

    vs Freo:

    - Amiss: 3 goals, 5 marks
    - Treacy: 3 goals, 8 marks
    - Voss: 3 goals, 3 marks

    The idea that. a 'BIGGER' defender would have helped...it's just not true. If we could have done something (anything) to keep the very lightly framed Amiss under control in the 2nd quarter then we win. Equally a problem was Shai Bolton taking a contested mark/kicking a goal inside f50 vs JJ.

    Magilla Gorilla (if such a player even exists anymore) isn't beating us. We're leaking goals to secondary forwards because we are terrible at winning ground balls inside d50.

    Voss kicks 3. Treacy kicks 3. Amiss kicks 1. Bolton kicks 1. Michael Freaking Frederick gets 1 instead of 2. (I mean, seriously?? Do you know he averaged 1.25 goals per game this year but 2.5 per game against us? So awesome to get beaten because of this. Twice.) Anyway, that happens...we win.

    Own your moments. Get some defenders in who want to literally take some names when the ball is inside D50 and watch things quickly turn.
    Absolutely bang on, and you watch now every team separate their own forwards now to expose our major weaknesses, a big stopper (gorilla) would Absolutely help but we still need to fix up our overall game style of this run and gun and look like a rabbit in the headlights when the oppo gets a run on.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 67678

      #17
      Originally posted by mjp
      This post is so on the money.

      vs Freo:

      - Amiss: 3 goals, 5 marks
      - Treacy: 3 goals, 8 marks
      - Voss: 3 goals, 3 marks

      The idea that. a 'BIGGER' defender would have helped...it's just not true. If we could have done something (anything) to keep the very lightly framed Amiss under control in the 2nd quarter then we win. Equally a problem was Shai Bolton taking a contested mark/kicking a goal inside f50 vs JJ.

      Magilla Gorilla (if such a player even exists anymore) isn't beating us. We're leaking goals to secondary forwards because we are terrible at winning ground balls inside d50.

      Voss kicks 3. Treacy kicks 3. Amiss kicks 1. Bolton kicks 1. Michael Freaking Frederick gets 1 instead of 2. (I mean, seriously?? Do you know he averaged 1.25 goals per game this year but 2.5 per game against us? So awesome to get beaten because of this. Twice.) Anyway, that happens...we win.

      Own your moments. Get some defenders in who want to literally take some names when the ball is inside D50 and watch things quickly turn.
      10 Point Loss to Lions:

      W Ashcroft - 3
      Berry - 2
      Lohman - 2
      L Ashcroft 2

      Our smaller defenders let us down that day.


      FFC: Established 1883

      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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      • Sedat
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2007
        • 11600

        #18
        Originally posted by mjp
        This post is so on the money.

        vs Freo:

        - Amiss: 3 goals, 5 marks
        - Treacy: 3 goals, 8 marks
        - Voss: 3 goals, 3 marks

        The idea that. a 'BIGGER' defender would have helped...it's just not true. If we could have done something (anything) to keep the very lightly framed Amiss under control in the 2nd quarter then we win. Equally a problem was Shai Bolton taking a contested mark/kicking a goal inside f50 vs JJ.

        Magilla Gorilla (if such a player even exists anymore) isn't beating us. We're leaking goals to secondary forwards because we are terrible at winning ground balls inside d50.

        Voss kicks 3. Treacy kicks 3. Amiss kicks 1. Bolton kicks 1. Michael Freaking Frederick gets 1 instead of 2. (I mean, seriously?? Do you know he averaged 1.25 goals per game this year but 2.5 per game against us? So awesome to get beaten because of this. Twice.) Anyway, that happens...we win.

        Own your moments. Get some defenders in who want to literally take some names when the ball is inside D50 and watch things quickly turn.
        Yep, we are thin for defenders (all sizes) who can actually defend. That's why I was massive on us chasing Wilkie (he is competition elite, puts the most dangerous opposition talls and mediums/smalls to sleep, and never misses a freaking game) and am very happy getting Buderick. Limited sample size but Butts has potential as a lockdown key defender and I understand the appeal from some on here. And why I'm happy to wear some stick for raising the idea of getting Frost and/or Bews as very cheap insurance because they can both defend 1-on-1, and they both come from elite defence-first systems.

        We need more loose intercept Leek Aleer types in D50 like a hole in the head - we've already got JOD, Lobb (who is a better interceptor than he is a 1-on-1 defender), Dale and Bramble in our starting back 6, all of whom have assertive and attacking instincts first.

        Also, we need to defend the entire ground much better when we don't have the ball - that topic has been done to death but it bears repeating, just look at that 8 goal shit show in the 2nd qtr against Freo in R24 for ridiculously aggressive positioning by our mids and high-half forwards that exposed our back 6 terribly (when they struggle to defend 1-on-1 at the best of times).
        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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        • Jasper
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2009
          • 1327

          #19
          Originally posted by mjp
          This post is so on the money.

          vs Freo:

          - Amiss: 3 goals, 5 marks
          - Treacy: 3 goals, 8 marks
          - Voss: 3 goals, 3 marks

          The idea that. a 'BIGGER' defender would have helped...it's just not true. If we could have done something (anything) to keep the very lightly framed Amiss under control in the 2nd quarter then we win. Equally a problem was Shai Bolton taking a contested mark/kicking a goal inside f50 vs JJ.

          Magilla Gorilla (if such a player even exists anymore) isn't beating us. We're leaking goals to secondary forwards because we are terrible at winning ground balls inside d50.

          Voss kicks 3. Treacy kicks 3. Amiss kicks 1. Bolton kicks 1. Michael Freaking Frederick gets 1 instead of 2. (I mean, seriously?? Do you know he averaged 1.25 goals per game this year but 2.5 per game against us? So awesome to get beaten because of this. Twice.) Anyway, that happens...we win.

          Own your moments. Get some defenders in who want to literally take some names when the ball is inside D50 and watch things quickly turn.
          Those are the points I was trying to make you have just done a far better job so thank you.
          We are all guilty of taking the easy observations and saying that's why we lost.
          We are all also guilty of having bias against some players but at times you need to look deeper.

          As an example, when Fogarty, Thilthorpe and Walker kicked a score against us later in the year we actually had taller players on all of those guys.
          It's not just about height or size and more to do with ability and the roles assigned and how players are taught and coached.
          This is why Wilkie was so appealing despite his apparent lack of height.

          Pratt and Bevo need to make some adjustments with how we set-up the back line group and hopefully Budarick and Sellwood can make a difference for us.
          We don't necessarily need giant defenders although it can help but there are plenty of very competitive teams with smaller back lines than ours.
          We also need the midfield to be a bit more defensive minded.
          Recruiting smarter players who can come in and make a difference will help and just picking bigger bodied boys to play on the Gorillas may not make a lot of difference.
          Doing my best to use emojis more frequently :o

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          • mjp
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 7472

            #20
            Originally posted by Jasper

            We are all guilty of taking the easy observations and saying that's why we lost.
            As an aside, I think we lost vs Freo NOT because we couldn't defend but because in the second quarter we couldn't figure out how to move the ball out of the defensive zone. Which - when you are 18/18 for ground balls in D50 is gonna be a problem. Banging the ball down the line to Darcy is a plan - but it is a bad plan. Even if you surge DTL and get numbers there...well - they had better be BULK numbers...I don't have data to support it (I probs should before making big claims) but I really think our LDL 'method' was poor in many games this year...we were much better trying to go around the oppo than trying to 'force it' to the talls...I would be spending a bit of time unpacking that this pre-season and trying to put a structure in place so that when we DO need to go LDL we can at worst create a stop (which we are generally good at).

            Anyway - this post is way off track but great thread.
            What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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            • EasternWest
              Hall of Fame
              • Aug 2009
              • 10119

              #21
              Originally posted by mighty_west

              Ah yes, Justin Koschitzke would laugh at him walking back to their positions, we had many great white hopes back in those days, Skipper, Tiller, Wells, Morgan, KMac, Baird, Wiggins to name a few, where's Frost is possibly equal to a few of our own Premiership defenders in Hamling and Fletch.......with of course the old brain farts.
              Keep Stevie Tiller's name out yo ****ing mouth.
              "It's over. It's all over."

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              • ledge
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2007
                • 14549

                #22
                Originally posted by EasternWest

                Keep Stevie Tiller's name out yo ****ing mouth.
                Steve lived at my in laws place when he came over with Jesse Welles .
                Steve was very down to earth and a nice kid , injuries weren’t kind to him but he definitely had talent .
                Bring back the biff

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                • mighty_west
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 3503

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ledge

                  Steve lived at my in laws place when he came over with Jesse Welles .
                  Steve was very down to earth and a nice kid , injuries weren’t kind to him but he definitely had talent .
                  Jesse Wells, probably should have played cricket with his brother Jono (Big Bash gun), his footy skills were, well, he could run well.

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                  • mighty_west
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3503

                    #24
                    Originally posted by EasternWest

                    Keep Stevie Tiller's name out yo ****ing mouth.
                    I actually liked Tiller, better defender though and his story of travelling so far for training each week is the stuff of legends, so committed.

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                    • Sedat
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 11600

                      #25
                      Originally posted by mighty_west

                      I actually liked Tiller, better defender though and his story of travelling so far for training each week is the stuff of legends, so committed.
                      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear he went from Williamstown 2nds to Williamstown Seniors to the Bulldogs in a consecutive 3 week stretch.
                      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                      • ledge
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 14549

                        #26
                        Originally posted by mighty_west

                        Jesse Wells, probably should have played cricket with his brother Jono (Big Bash gun), his footy skills were, well, he could run well.
                        Jesse was a lover not a fighter especially with himself .
                        I don’t know how many times I heard the story of him playing cricket in the back yard with his uncle David Boon.
                        I’m pretty sure it’s the only reason we took him for his speed .
                        He did make a mark at the dogs for a couple of years after he left , more comical though.
                        Bring back the biff

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