The 300% game (how we fit in our inside mids)

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  • Rocco Jones
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jun 2008
    • 6988

    #1

    The 300% game (how we fit in our inside mids)

    Bont and Ed are stars. Libba just keeps on keeping on. Adz finally got healthy right at the end, and we even gave Freijah a crack in the middle. If Sanders and/or Garcia play VFL, they’ll probably rack up 40 touches — but the real question is: how do we get the right fit?

    A lot of fans see Sanders or Garcia piling up 40 in the twos (as Adz did too) and wonder how they can’t get a game when players like LMN and Vanders aren’t contributing much. I get that — but I think what’s often missed, perhaps because of how surface-level most AFL media analysis is, is how finite inside-mid time really is.

    If you look at CBAs, think of it like a “300% game” — three players getting full inside-mid loads (3 lots of 100% not counting the ruck). Yes, there are stoppages around the ground too, but outside those, players are primarily in another role.

    Most good teams (and us ) run with three big CBA loads — around 70–80% each — plus a fourth around 50%. After that, there are only a few “pinch-hit” attendances shared by one to three others, who spend the majority of their time in non-mid roles.
    Cam Rayner’s a good example — mostly a forward who goes in occasionally. The Lions also use Berry that way, though he’s mainly a wing.

    Our issue, both historically and right now, is that our inside mids often struggle to contribute in other roles.

    Adz and Libba both need significant CBA time to be effective — they don’t offer much value elsewhere. That’s already about half our “inside-mid pie” gone. Then we have Ed and Bont — who can be great in other positions, but they’re also our key inside winners. This year, Ed averaged 75% of CBAs and Bont 67%, even with Bont playing reduced time there early when he was coming back from injury.

    Even if Bont spends a little more time forward, there’s still not much midfield time left to go around.

    Whichever way you cut it, there are basically four spots in the team that play mostly inside mid. Everyone else is spending most of their time elsewhere. So the question becomes:

    Do we actually want to pick Sanders or Garcia over other small forward or role options, when their inside-mid strengths don’t come into play unless one of the main four goes down — and even then, Kennedy’s next in line?
  • jeemak
    Bulldog Legend
    • Oct 2010
    • 22155

    #2
    Is Bont as a half back interceptor split 50-50 with time in the middle a viable option? I toyed with the idea of him going back this season, as I felt we needed to change the dynamic in defence and he's someone who can both mark and kick the footy well. Give him the centre ball ups, once the play settles or is forward of centre he goes back.

    To me it opens up some space in the middle, and helps out a defensive profile that lacks developed quality and leadership.

    With him taking less of the midfield minutes then it makes playing Kennedy, Treloar and Sanders/Garcia more viable with all three under substantial pressure from the likes of Dolan and Hynes if they don't perform. Some are really bullish on the latter two, I'm thinking Sanders takes a leap forward after a strong preseason and has less down points in 2026 while the others gradually progress. Kennedy having another stellar season is a possibility, after all, he was a top ten B&F at Carlton last year (10th) and improved this year (6th), Treloar is a wildcard. I'd never play Garcia again if I had it my way.

    Tier one - Richards, Liberatore, Bont
    Tier two - Treloar, Kennedy, Sanders, Freijah

    All of our tier two midfielders can kick a goal, though only really Freijah can play outside which is a challenge for us. This was how I was thinking we could line up:

    Backs
    Budarick - Buss - Lobb
    Dale - JOD - Williams

    Centres
    Freijah - Libba - Davidson

    Forwards
    Kennedy - Darcy - Sanders
    West - Naughton - Weightman

    Followers
    English - Bont - Richards

    Interchange
    Bramble - Dolan/Hynes - Trelor - McNeil/VDM - Croft

    I'd be fine with one of Sanders or Kennedy being replaced in the starting lineup by whoever of McNeil or VDM plays (I don't think we can take the lack of production of both into the team at full strength). And as per above, I think we just need to be a bit creative with how we use Bont (and I don't think that's by throwing him forward - especially if a fit Weightman brings aerial presence and Croft continues to develop) to ensure our midfield mix is rotating enough to deliver strengths and cover weaknesses.

    Most likely we won't have to think about it too hard unless Treloar can genuinely get off the canvass and Liberatore can avoid another head high hit. My main concern is these guys don't get on the park enough and we actually lack midfield depth for a lot of the season (which I think is a worry of the match committee given our interest in the likes of Dev Robertson during the trade period).
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    • Uninformed
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2023
      • 1011

      #3
      Great conundrum Rocco.

      My first thought is trying to make use of everyone rather than 'best' use of each. So radical and probably a bit silly, but..

      Play Bont at CHB, Ed on one flank and Dale on the other. Have Libba, Adz. Sanders and Garcia as the starting mids. Rotate Freijah, Kennedy, West and Cody through.

      So we lose some of the Bont. Ed. level of midfield dominance, but rebound from that at half back then fast ball through Freijah, Davidson and Williams on wings to Darcy et al. forward.

      Could it work?

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      • Go_Dogs
        Hall of Fame
        • Jan 2007
        • 10258

        #4
        It’s a massive challenge for us.

        I’d love to see us have a slightly different approach:

        Bont / Fridge - always one of them (well, 95% of the time)
        Richards / Treloar - same
        Libba / Sanders or Kennedy or Garcia - same

        with a sprinkling of a few others to make up the 5%’s or so across Weightman, West, Williams etc
        Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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        • Rocco Jones
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jun 2008
          • 6988

          #5
          I like the thinking here but if we split the time evenly-ish amongst say 6 players, we'd be going very much against the norm. I am guessing no other team really goes with it due to a combination of wanting your best players there + how disruptive it could be with the constant rotations.

          Even if it works with the inside mid times, the same net challenge exists. Say with the post above... Libba, Adz, Garcia and Sanders having to collectively play equivalent of two games in roles other than inside mids.

          An issue I have had with us here is how we use players in the VFL. We have players like Garcia playing full time as in inside mid. I appreciate the VFL is very different but playing guys full time as mids there then mainly as small forwards in the AFL is setting them up for failure imo.

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          • Go_Dogs
            Hall of Fame
            • Jan 2007
            • 10258

            #6
            It’s more so having a consistent mix of “types” that I’m going for rather than players. I totally get that would make us an outlier compared to some others.

            To me, it’s an area of great depth. Allowing us to manipulate the depth into a rotational strength, where we are less predictable and more responsive to situational factors, could be a huge advantage.

            We’ve got a few who could play other roles successfully and few who are perhaps more limited. Maybe having the fifth bench player helps us there too….

            I’m no expert, but we need to do something different and why not be an outlier and challenge our opponents - their prep and way of thinking and catch them on the hop.

            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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            • Rocco Jones
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jun 2008
              • 6988

              #7
              Whatever the mix I think for continuity, we need to have 4 main guys.

              The most radical we could go imo is commit either Bont or Ed playing majority of their time in another role. I think we need at least one in the middle. They get attention from the oppo for a reason and it'll be massive to have them both out for long durations. I'd suggest Bont perhaps mainly forward, like I said in my OP, a bit similar to Danger. Perhaps a way to extend his career. Not say we should or I would IF we were to roll the dice/try to best use assets at our display.

              Adz and Libba. Do either/both of them offer us anything outside of inside mids? I am pretty sure Libba does not, his strengths are so suited to being outside and his weaknesses exposed outside of that. Adz looks like he has the tools but not sure, would be a confidence hit perhaps. If we cannot get value from them elsewhere, that's basically one big inside mid shift left.

              Kennedy can play forward and not so much a concern in terms of offering enough value to select him. Sanders and/or Garcia. Does what they can offer as inside mids warrant moving Bont? If we don't move him, are good enough to warrant selection in the team in roles outside of inside mids?

              Re Freijah, I think we have to play him back or on the wing. We have enough inside mids. I get his ability to explode but we have issue of both too many inside mids who can't do other things + a lack of 'depth' in role players.

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              • Rocco Jones
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jun 2008
                • 6988

                #8
                Originally posted by Go_Dogs
                It’s more so having a consistent mix of “types” that I’m going for rather than players. I totally get that would make us an outlier compared to some others.

                To me, it’s an area of great depth. Allowing us to manipulate the depth into a rotational strength, where we are less predictable and more responsive to situational factors, could be a huge advantage.

                We’ve got a few who could play other roles successfully and few who are perhaps more limited. Maybe having the fifth bench player helps us there too….

                I’m no expert, but we need to do something different and why not be an outlier and challenge our opponents - their prep and way of thinking and catch them on the hop.
                Yeah not saying you are right or wrong. Like the contribution.

                With your scenario though, the same challenge still presents with Garcia, Treloar, Libba and Sanders = 2 full time games outside of inside mids.

                Where does Libba play for half the game?

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                • Go_Dogs
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 10258

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rocco Jones

                  Yeah not saying you are right or wrong. Like the contribution.

                  With your scenario though, the same challenge still presents with Garcia, Treloar, Libba and Sanders = 2 full time games outside of inside mids.

                  Where does Libba play for half the game?
                  I agree, it’s definitely not solving our “what second role can you play” challenge.

                  Thinking it through, we’re basically back to a scenario of if you can’t play 25% game time in another role, maybe you don’t get picked at all, or for some of our older players, maybe it’s you play 75% game time given the extended bench.

                  Bont / Fridge - happy that pair can play anywhere else.

                  Richards / Treloar - happy Richards can play anywhere, I’d be looking at my favourite chestnut of Treloar to the back half / bench to solve the gap.

                  Libba / (Kennedy/Sanders/Garcia) - Libba is probably the most limited - maybe it’s playing as the 5th midfielder via a high forward role and bench. Kennedy forward is cool. Sanders is less effective in other roles but wing or high half forward at a stretch and we can continue to try to force Garcia into a role like that or small forward. I suspect 2 of the Kennedy / Sanders / Garcia group are challenged if we don’t have injuries and this is what we have force for them more broadly.
                  Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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