If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

[Mofra]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

Hardly a disaster, however, agree the department needs to be reviewed as does the whole footy department to see where things went wrong this year.

From discussions I had with some informed people on the weekend it sounded like we also botched Tim English's diagnosis which meant a potential 1-2 week injury turned into something much more significant (like 8-10 weeks)

From the outside I have zero confidence that our medical & conditoning team are doing a decent job, because if they were we wouldn't have had an injury epidemic these past 3 years.

Time for a change in personnel.

I'm very much in favour of the review however it may be a procedure rather than personnel change the review recommends.

The Tim English news has been rumoured for a while and is absolutely atrocious if true. It's not just an on-field performance issue but a welfare issue. These guys know their health is their livelihood and if the club can't guarantee proper medical care how can we really demand loyalty from them?

FWIW North do things very very differently to us (and most teams) and they have a very short injury list - Waite was their only injured player when they played us and he's 87 with dodgy calves.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

I'm very much in favour of the review however it may be a procedure rather than personnel change the review recommends.

The Tim English news has been rumoured for a while and is absolutely atrocious if true. It's not just an on-field performance issue but a welfare issue. These guys know their health is their livelihood and if the club can't guarantee proper medical care how can we really demand loyalty from them?

FWIW North do things very very differently to us (and most teams) and they have a very short injury list - Waite was their only injured player when they played us and he's 87 with dodgy calves.

Shaun Higgins is the perfect example. Continually injured with us and hasn't missed a beat at North. Coincidence?

Bad luck or no, with 3 years of mass injuries, it's probably time for some change.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

From discussions I had with some informed people on the weekend it sounded like we also botched Tim English's diagnosis which meant a potential 1-2 week injury turned into something much more significant (like 8-10 weeks)

From the outside I have zero confidence that our medical & conditoning team are doing a decent job, because if they were we wouldn't have had an injury epidemic these past 3 years.

Time for a change in personnel.

I always trust your info. In this event, that's an indictment on these people whose entire job is getting players back on the ground as fast and safe as possible. Not to mention that getting more AFL games into Tim would be ideal for his development into 2019. Again, his development suffers and the team suffers. Enough suffering through this please.

[Bornadog]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

if they were we wouldn't have had an injury epidemic these past 3 years.

Time for a change in personnel.

Do you have stats to say it's an epidemic? Take out the non soft tissue injuries.

This is a genuine question, because I don't know the answer. I checked this year and there were 5 or 6 that are soft tissue. Epidemic is a huge word.

PS: Tim missed 5 weeks and is listed as test this week.

Shaun Higgins is the perfect example. Continually injured with us and hasn't missed a beat at North. Coincidence?

Bad luck or no, with 3 years of mass injuries, it's probably time for some change.

Higgins left 3 years ago and we had a different team then ( not talking doctors, talking physio, and others involved with soft tissue injuries).

I have no doubt some problems, but we need facts not speculation.

[Mantis]

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Do you have stats to say it's an epidemic? Take out the non soft tissue injuries.

This is a genuine question, because I don't know the answer. I checked this year and there were 5 or 6 that are soft tissue. Epidemic is a huge word.

PS: Tim missed 5 weeks and is listed as test this week.

Not sure it's a 'huge' word, but if I'm frustrated by the fact that we haven't had anywhere a fit list for 3 years I'm sure as hell thinking the coaching staff would be hoping just once we could pick our best 22. The only time it seems we had our shit together it seems from a medical sense was in the lead-up to the finals in 2016 when something clicked with regard to our player management... I wonder if anything was different through this period?

Forgot Tim played in the VFL after his last AFL game, but still 6 weeks is too long a break for what I'm hearing should've been rectified within 1-2 weeks.

[Twodogs]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

From discussions I had with some informed people on the weekend it sounded like we also botched Tim English's diagnosis which meant a potential 1-2 week injury turned into something much more significant (like 8-10 weeks)

From the outside I have zero confidence that our medical & conditoning team are doing a decent job, because if they were we wouldn't have had an injury epidemic these past 3 years.

Time for a change in personnel.

I heard that too. From what I was told that there was some issue with the boots he was wearing and our medicos couldn't agree between themselves what the problem was so he ended up playing in the boots they thought were causing the problem.

[Bulldog4life]

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In regard to our injuries playing on a car park regularly sure wouldn't help.

[Bornadog]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

In regard to our injuries playing on a car park regularly sure wouldn't help.

Williams out now with a foot injury

[Bulldog4life]

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Williams out now with a foot injury

Yes just saw that.

[Remi Moses]

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It’s got to be looked at closely
How doesSuckling go from being fit to play and getting injured. In a warm up?
Now theWilliams injury ! I’ve had Achilles tendinitis and it can flare anytime.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

Was it Rod Stewart who said that some men get all the luck.

Either we get all the bad luck year on year, or maybe luck isn’t the issue.

Hopefully we have 22 guys to pick from by the end of the year. Williams has been looking great.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

It’s got to be looked at closely
How doesSuckling go from being fit to play and getting injured. In a warm up?
Now theWilliams injury ! I’ve had Achilles tendinitis and it can flare anytime.

He is not the first for that to happen to and he sure won't be the last.

[Greystache]

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We desperately need a clean out in the medical department. To call it disorganised chaos would be generous and it's been killing the team onfield. There's a real culture of all care and no responsibility combined with a dictatorial leadership structure that deflects blame for failure all round. We turn short term injuries into long term absences, treat chronic injuries appallingly, we make players fit to go sit on the sidelines longer than they need to, then bring back players who are underdone. Our injury prevention program is non-existent and the only way we manage an injury is to wait for it to flair up and put the player on the sidelines for an extended period. It's a shambles.

We clearly have no idea when players are ready to play and when they need to wait to come back, we may some wait while throwing others in early, it's just darts at a dartboard. Consistent injury plagues aren't just luck, and nothing will change unless we change it. I really hope Bains gives this the attention it needs immediately.

[Topdog]

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In regard to our injuries playing on a car park regularly sure wouldn't help.

This would be the same carpark that North, Essendon and a bunch of other clubs play on regularly?

[Topdog]

Re: If you were Peter Gordon, who would you move on first in a post season review?

Do you have stats to say it's an epidemic? Take out the non soft tissue injuries.

This is a genuine question, because I don't know the answer. I checked this year and there were 5 or 6 that are soft tissue. Epidemic is a huge word.

Why do we take out the non soft tissue injuries? We have absolutely had an injury epidemic over the last 3 years. We currently have I believe 11 players missing through injury. That is staggering.