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  • The Doctor
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2007
    • 3702

    Second Half Fade Outs 2018

    After 18 rounds this season this is how our 2nd half scores look

    3.5.23 to 9.9.63 (-40) vs GWS away. Trailed at HT by 42. Lost by 82
    6.10.46 to 9.4.58 (-12) vs WCE home. Trailed at HT by 39. Lost by 51
    6.10.46 to 6.5.41 (+5) vs ESS home. Led HT by by 16. Won by 21
    4.6.30 to 7.5.47 (-17) vs SYD home. Led HT by 10. Lost by 7
    5.3.33 to 10.9.69 (-36) vs FREO away. Trailed at HT by 18. Lost by 54
    4.6.30 to 4.8.32 (-2) vs CARL home. Led HT by 23. Won by 21
    6.10.46 to 5.3.33 (+13) vs GCS home. Trailed at HT by 4. Won by 9
    7.6.48 to 8.4.52 (-4) vs BRIS home. Led HT by 18. Won by 14
    1.7.13 to 6.6.42 (-29) vs ADEL away. Trailed at HT by 8. Lost by 37
    0.4.04 to 8.9.57 (-53) vs COLL away. Led HT by 18. Lost by 35
    3.5.23 to 8.6.54 (-31) vs MELB home. Trailed at HT by 16. Lost by 49
    7.4.46 to 12.6.78 (-32) vs PORT away. Trailed at HT by 25. Lost by 57
    5.6.36 to 9.2.56 (-20) vs NTH home. Led HT by 18. Lost by 2
    7.3.45 to 7.7.49 (-4) vs Geel home. Led HT by 6. Won by 2
    2.1.13 to 12.6.78 (-65) vs HAW home. Led HT by 2. Lost by 63
    4.3.27 to 12.2.74 (-47) vs MELB away. Trailed at HT by 3. Lost by 50
    3.5.23 to 6.7.43 (-20 vs WCE away. Trailed at HT by 34. Lost by 54

    The Facts

    - We have lost 16/18 second halves
    - We lost 10 2nd Halves by 20 points or more
    - Our average margin in 2nd halves is -22 compared to average margin in 1st half is -4.
    - Our highest 2nd half total is 48 points. The opposition have scored more than that 11 times
    - On 9 occasions we scored 4 goals or less in the 2nd half
    - We have lost 4 games when leading at half time
    - We have won 4 games when leading at half time but by reduced margins
    - Only once have we won a game by a greater margin than at half time (ESS)
    - Only once have we won when trailing at half time (GCS)
    - On 12 occasions we have scored less than we did in the 1st half


    The Questions

    We don't run out games very well. Are we fit enough?
    Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket
  • Topdog
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7471

    #2
    Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

    They had a stat on the TV last week that our 3rd quarters are the worst in the league I believe.

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    • whythelongface
      Coaching Staff
      • Jan 2007
      • 4381

      #3
      Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

      Originally posted by The Doctor
      The Questions

      We don't run out games very well. Are we fit enough?
      We field a very young team week in/ week out who do not have the endurance base as yet to run games out. This endurance base takes a few years to develop, hence the team really struggle to stay in the game at the back end of the game. There are no doubt other contributing factors (decision making etc), however this would be one of the main factors for these fade outs. I would suggest that the lack of endurance directly impacts on our decision making as well.

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 14868

        #4
        Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

        Originally posted by whythelongface
        We field a very young team week in/ week out who do not have the endurance base as yet to run games out. This endurance base takes a few years to develop, hence the team really struggle to stay in the game at the back end of the game. There are no doubt other contributing factors (decision making etc), however this would be one of the main factors for these fade outs. I would suggest that the lack of endurance directly impacts on our decision making as well.
        All contribute - I'd say our lack of mids / running players has an impact too,. We've been forced to play more talls given our injury list and performers at VFL level who won't be able to run out games as well as mids and natural runners.
        Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 66106

          #5
          Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

          Originally posted by whythelongface
          We field a very young team week in/ week out who do not have the endurance base as yet to run games out. This endurance base takes a few years to develop, hence the team really struggle to stay in the game at the back end of the game. There are no doubt other contributing factors (decision making etc), however this would be one of the main factors for these fade outs. I would suggest that the lack of endurance directly impacts on our decision making as well.
          At least 10 players a week are 50 games or less, and most of those are actually less than 30, and some games we played 7 below 10 games.
          FFC: Established 1883

          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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          • Topdog
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2007
            • 7471

            #6
            Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

            Yeah I hate to simply say it is due to the age of our squad but I'm struggling to think of anything else. I do think that Mofra has made a good call out in a lack of a specifc type (runners) in our team.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 66106

              #7
              Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

              Originally posted by Topdog
              Yeah I hate to simply say it is due to the age of our squad but I'm struggling to think of anything else. I do think that Mofra has made a good call out in a lack of a specifc type (runners) in our team.
              Can we point the finger to the Fitness and conditioning team?
              Last edited by Bornadog; 26-07-2018, 01:45 PM. Reason: autocorrect
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • Twodogs
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 27654

                #8
                Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Can we point the figureto the Fitness and conditioning team?
                Finger. Bloody autocorrect!
                They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                • Go_Dogs
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 10110

                  #9
                  Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                  Good analysis Doc.

                  I feel the comments around us being a young side, and often a young side short on runners because of our injury woes, provide a reasonable explanation, particularly for the latter part of the year. Hopefully we have the right programs in place and have drafted the right young players with scope to develop their aerobic ability.
                  Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                  • Doc26
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 3087

                    #10
                    Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                    The first part of Macca’s coaching period also saw a young list fade out consistently in second halves.

                    This season most is explained by the extent of injuries to some key bigger body experienced players such as Picken, Libba, Wood, Dickson even Lin and Clay, Bont carrying something (hip) all season, other key players out for decent chunks of the season e.g Moz, Adams, Macrae, a big drop off in form from Roughy, and TBoyd, Bailey Dale and Caleb Daniel all stalling with their development, Wally’s indifferent first half, JJ generally just travelling and it’s not too hard to see why we’ve gone south.

                    I can only think of 4 players, Maclean, Macrae, Cordy, and Suckling (pre Achilles) who have been consistent performers, Hunter and Dunks at times, with very encouraging signs from our youth in Williams, Naughton, Richards, Schache, Lynch, English and Billy
                    Last edited by Doc26; 28-07-2018, 06:57 PM.

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44292

                      #11
                      Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                      Doc, I'd add Williams to both the consistent performers and the encouraging younger players you have listed.
                      He's made some real progress this year
                      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                      • Doc26
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3087

                        #12
                        Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        Doc, I'd add Williams to both the consistent performers and the encouraging younger players you have listed.
                        He's made some real progress this year
                        Yes that’s pretty fair. Bailey has helped to fill the large gap left by MBoyd and Bob.

                        I notice that I’ve left out Dahl in the assessment. He’s probably like JJ, largely just travelling but with such sub standard disposal by foot. He’s a list quandary. I imagine we will be having to pay overs to keep him.

                        How would you assess Hunter’s season?

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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 44292

                          #13
                          Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                          Originally posted by Doc26
                          Yes that’s pretty fair. Bailey has helped to fill the large gap left by MBoyd and Bob.

                          How would you assess Hunter’s season?
                          He's plateaued, he has developed an annoying habit of spinning the football before he makes up his mind where he wants to kick it.
                          He's still a good player but I expected more from him this season.
                          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                          • Doc26
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 3087

                            #14
                            Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                            Originally posted by GVGjr
                            He's plateaued, he has developed an annoying habit of spinning the football before he makes up his mind where he wants to kick it.
                            He's still a good player but I expected more from him this season.
                            Yes Lachie has plateaued. My expectation with Lachie is that with maturity that he would’ve become a more damaging user of the ball. This with his elite endurance would take him up a level. In this respect I to would’ve expected greater things from him this season.

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                            • Twodogs
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 27654

                              #15
                              Re: Second Half Fade Outs 2018

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              He's plateaued, he has developed an annoying habit of spinning the football before he makes up his mind where he wants to kick it.
                              He's still a good player but I expected more from him this season.

                              Doug Bigelow would have snarled "Lairising" every time Lochie span the ball like that and he would have been right. Doug hated lairs and I'm starting to see his point,
                              They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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