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  • whythelongface
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2007
    • 4487

    Our ruck stocks for 2019

    Bevo in the past seems to have been ambivalent about the ruck (not sure if this actually true or just reading into this). Not sure if this is due to lack of options, or the thought that winning clearances negates the role of the ruck. I feel that towards the latter half of the year that Bevo may have changed his position on this (that is if he even thought this in the first instance) and that the role of a ruckman is not only important at stoppages but also critical around the ground eg. Gawn has been outstanding. Nankervis has also been good at the Tigers.

    Moving into next year and with the likely departure of Roughead as well as Campbell it appears that we will head into 2019 (at this stage) with Trengove, English and Boyd as our rucking options.
    - English certainly showed some potential prior to his injury, however is still very young and learning his craft. Thus suspect he will spend a fair bit more time down at Footscray next year.
    -Trengove has been very good since he moved into the ruck role, particularly around the ground. Thus will more than likely be our first option heading into next year.
    - Boyd - Bevo has also persisted with Boyd when he has been fit. However, like others have stated, I think that Boyd would be best served spending time forward and pinch hitting in the ruck when required (maybe 5 mins a qtr).

    This poses some questions heading into the draft:
    1/ do we trade for a ruck man? someone like Lycett springs to mind (seems to be some discussion in the media that he will be on the move) or
    2/ do we go into 2019 with the three options (Trengove/ English/ Boyd)? this to me seems to be an undermanned ruck department particularly if one or two are injured.

    What other potential recruits are available that are likely in or near enough to be in our best 22? Do we also look at the draft for another ruck option - maybe a late smoky?
  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44645

    #2
    Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

    I think I read something on the weekend that we have some interest in Lycett.
    Perhaps because he is decent when resting in the forward line this might appeal to Bevo.
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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34289

      #3
      Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

      Great thread WTLF.

      If they were all to remain fit all year, which is unlikely, the trio of Trengove, English and Boyd doing some resting time for the others is enough. But being a realist, and as you say, injuries are likely and will expose the depth. I refuse to think about rucking Bonts, or even Dunk's or Jong again. Enough with this Bevo.

      So I think we need to look at options about whose out there. Lycett has been rumoured to get an offer of $700,000 from St Kilda. If true, we just can't match that. If that happens, maybe we can target Billy Longer at St Kilda as he falls down their pecking order. Another might be Pruess at North. Even though he can't crack a game, I suspect North will want a lot. If Nicholls from GCS came on a dirt cheap as chips contract, that might be cover, although I'm not his biggest fan. Zach Clarke might be a depth option, and a free agent from memory. Then there's the state leagues if we can see something to develop into something a bit better than cover.

      But at the end of the day, Power almost has to hand this decision to Bevo. Because if Bevo won't play them, then we are where we are now with Campbell taking a list spot and salary cap space for no games whatsoever. So hopefully Bevo can find something he likes, and would be prepared to select and play because I think we need to replace at least one of Camhead with another ruck.
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      • whythelongface
        Coaching Staff
        • Jan 2007
        • 4487

        #4
        Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

        $700K is way overs for Lycett. He would be handy but not with that coin. Trengove and a developing English are probably our priorities in the ruck along with Boyd. However we do need some depth, but at a reasonable price. I would rather pay overs on a hard running fast midfielder with elite skills ala Gaff or Shiel.

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        • Happy Days
          Hall of Fame
          • May 2008
          • 10143

          #5
          Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

          Yeah not interested in Lycett. I just don't see any upside in his game and he isn't any better than a median ruckman.

          He got totally bodied by Gawn two weeks ago, which is fine if you're being paid as a middling player, but makes no sense if you're being brought in on top dollar. To paraphrase Bart Simpson, how are you meant to catch up by going slower than someone else?

          In sum its a move that the Saints would make so best leave it to them to do it.
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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66726

            #6
            Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

            How many rucks should we have on our list?
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            • Rocket Science
              Coaching Staff
              • Oct 2007
              • 4852

              #7
              Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

              Originally posted by bornadog
              How many rucks should we have on our list?
              I reckon Bevo would answer "none".

              He wants a guy who can compete at ball ups but is really a 6'6 ruck rover. And he's got him in English.
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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                IMO we have enough rucks. Naughton's rapid development back and Trengove's decent ruck form and average form in defence means Trengove may ruck a fair bit.

                That leaves English and Boyd competing for the fwd/ ruck role. Boyd has missed about half of the last two seasons and English had a bone stress and is young. Reckon that will be enough.

                May rookie a state league ruck as a cheap break glass in case of emergency type.

                Assume Rough and Campbell are done.

                Unless something drastic occurs with Boyd and if English stays fit and develops as expected I can see Boyd playing a fair bit of VFL for the remainder of his contract.

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                • Go_Dogs
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 10152

                  #9
                  Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                  Was chatting to a few mates about this today.

                  I'm pretty comfortable heading into 2019 with Trengove, English, Boyd and Schache and possibly adding a developing ruck via the rookie list. English was tracking OK before his injury, while Trengove and Boyd have both demonstrated an ability to shoulder a big load in the ruck. Schache is a break glass prospect, but can spend 5 minutes here and there when required.
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                  • SonofScray
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 4234

                    #10
                    Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                    Three ruckmen is enough, surely?

                    I suppose you could argue that one of Boyd/Trengove aren't really ruckmen, so we could try pinch a cheapie for cover. I can't see anyone at that price worth getting that would be happy to potentially sit behind the three mentioned anyway. May as well hold onto Campbell at that point.
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                    • hujsh
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 11841

                      #11
                      Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                      Get someone one the rookie list as coverage. Trengove English and Rookie with Boyd as the emergency and/or pinch hitter should be OK.

                      Every year people say we have plenty of rucks and every year we have the pleasure of watching Bontempelli take the centre ruck bounce. A durable backup would be worth the rookie spot even if it's just to protect our mids
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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44645

                        #12
                        Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                        Originally posted by Go_Dogs
                        Was chatting to a few mates about this today.

                        I'm pretty comfortable heading into 2019 with Trengove, English, Boyd and Schache and possibly adding a developing ruck via the rookie list. English was tracking OK before his injury, while Trengove and Boyd have both demonstrated an ability to shoulder a big load in the ruck. Schache is a break glass prospect, but can spend 5 minutes here and there when required.
                        I'd rather carry an extra ruck option each year because I dont think using players like Redpath, Bontempelli, Jong and Dunkley works well enough in big games.

                        English, Trengove, Boyd and Schache is one player light in my opinion.
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                        • Nuggety Back Pocket
                          WOOF Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 2064

                          #13
                          Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          How many rucks should we have on our list?
                          If Roughy goes we are effectively down to just two ruck men in English and Trengrove. Boyd has simply failed to impress since the 2016 final series. A tall order given English’s relative inexperience to be able to compete with the likes of Gawn and Grundy. The responsibility on Tim is massive to take over the mantle of number one ruck man. Trengrove in the past 6 weeks has been a great back up support in the ruck and a key factor in our recent successes. We are stuck with Boyd given his long term contract and given his poor ruck work looks better suited to playing forward. Unless we can attract a ruck man to match the more experienced ruck men
                          in the top teams it might be better to stick with the status quo.

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                          • boydogs
                            WOOF Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5844

                            #14
                            Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                            Originally posted by GVGjr
                            English, Trengove, Boyd and Schache is one player light in my opinion.
                            Agree. Trengove's best spot is ruck but if both Roughead & Campbell are going we need one back
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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 66726

                              #15
                              Re: Our ruck stocks for 2019

                              Originally posted by Red White Blue
                              I can see Boyd playing a fair bit of VFL for the remainder of his contract.
                              I can't
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