You do that Buku

[Grantysghost]

Re: You do that Buku

i am probably not on the Buku train.

I see a guy who plays tall but isn't tall enough to be a KPD and doesn't show any traits to compete at ground level. He shows no pace and also seems to be not an endurance runner.

He marks the ball well but doesn't read the play well enough to utilise that skill enough as an interceptor.

In reality his best form has been as a marking forward, who can kick goals, but where does he sit in that space.

As a second ruck, his lack of height detracts despite having a good leap and both Lobb and Darcy will get picked ahead of him if/when they are fit.

As a tall forward he sits comfortably behind Jamarra, Naughton, Darcy and even Josh Bruce. He doesn't have the running capacity to fill in roles that Hannan gets chances at.

Buku just lacks the tools to really make it in the modern game.

Yes I concur completely.

He looks nice ball in hand, however without it he's miles off.
Great story and I really like him however vfl is his ceiling.

[Bornadog]

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Yes I concur completely.

He looks nice ball in hand, however without it he's miles off.
Great story and I really like him however vfl is his ceiling.

Form in the VFL has not been brilliant either.

[mjp]

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Form in the VFL has not been brilliant either.

This is where some of the inconsistencies in our selections are played out though mate. When players who HAVEN'T been in great form are selected (as seems to routinely happen) it causes confusion. I'm sure the coaches would say "Player X knows exactly where he's at" but I would doubt what they are saying to their coaches and their families are the same thing.

Hannan being selected after kicking 5-goals a couple of weeks back is a great example of how it should work and be SEEN to work. Yes, I know performances at training etc count a lot but 'play well, get an opportunity' is a great model on which to build a selection policy.

[Rocco Jones]

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This is where some of the inconsistencies in our selections are played out though mate. When players who HAVEN'T been in great form are selected (as seems to routinely happen) it causes confusion. I'm sure the coaches would say "Player X knows exactly where he's at" but I would doubt what they are saying to their coaches and their families are the same thing.

Hannan being selected after kicking 5-goals a couple of weeks back is a great example of how it should work and be SEEN to work. Yes, I know performances at training etc count a lot but 'play well, get an opportunity' is a great model on which to build a selection policy.

Agreed.

I also do not like how little regard we still to have for positions/roles players play in the VFL. CBAs in VFL, HFF in AFL. JOD being picked off 3 games in the VFL, then playing a different role in AFL.

[Grantysghost]

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This is where some of the inconsistencies in our selections are played out though mate. When players who HAVEN'T been in great form are selected (as seems to routinely happen) it causes confusion. I'm sure the coaches would say "Player X knows exactly where he's at" but I would doubt what they are saying to their coaches and their families are the same thing.

Hannan being selected after kicking 5-goals a couple of weeks back is a great example of how it should work and be SEEN to work. Yes, I know performances at training etc count a lot but 'play well, get an opportunity' is a great model on which to build a selection policy.

It's interesting. I think if Hannan kicked 2.3 for eg he still gets a gig as it's probably a more holistic approach to the game they are looking for.
Buku could kick 5 and not get picked is my point.

I'm not sure how many have seen him live recently; I take great interest in things off the ball and sometimes he looks like my nephew in the u 12s wondering where he should be.

TV is a hard medium to judge anything non-ball in hand related when it comes to bogan ball.

[mjp]

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Buku could kick 5 and not get picked is my point.

I think that's what I'm trying to say. Players SHOULD be promoted for two reasons:
1/. Injury and positional fit.
2/. Form.

Hannan kicking 5 is the perfect example of what happens. Kick 5, there's a forward spot open...you're in. Or put together 4-6 weeks of being in the best 5 players...you're in. It doesn't seem to happen this way all that often which is a confusing message to those players outside of the AFL squad and I have no doubt impacts their match day performances.

[G-Mo77]

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Just a gut feel (not backed up by stats) but I feel like if he had been given a run (say like Arty) we would see a different side to him, I?m a big fan and I feel like he?s been a bit hard done by in regards to selections.

Hasn't been able to nail down a position either. He seems to play a different position at VFL level every few weeks. Right now he's a back up ruck who swings forward. In a couple of weeks he'll probably be a defender. Like you said a run of games like Jones and JOD would benefit but we're hardly doing him service by what we're doing now. Just cut him and let him work on his craft at another club. We clearly have no interest in him.

[Bornadog]

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I think that's what I'm trying to say. Players SHOULD be promoted for two reasons:
1/. Injury and positional fit.
2/. Form.

Hannan kicking 5 is the perfect example of what happens. Kick 5, there's a forward spot open...you're in. Or put together 4-6 weeks of being in the best 5 players...you're in. It doesn't seem to happen this way all that often which is a confusing message to those players outside of the AFL squad and I have no doubt impacts their match day performances.

Plays a big part in selection.

The only spot that Buku could possibly take is a HBF role, but he lacks form.

[G-Mo77]

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Plays a big part in selection.

The only spot that Buku could possibly take is a HBF role, but he lacks form.

He was terrific last VFL game.

[jeemak]

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Is it as simple as not being able to cover the KMs and hit the requisite time on ground no matter which end he plays?

If it is then he's never getting a game with us.

[Bulldog Joe]

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He was terrific last VFL game.

Played a solid game as a ruck/forward.

Would you select him ahead of Lobb?

[G-Mo77]

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Played a solid game as a ruck/forward.

Would you select him ahead of Lobb?

No, I'd have him as a defender but we're in June and he's a ruck forward now. Ask again in August.

[soupman]

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Is it as simple as not being able to cover the KMs and hit the requisite time on ground no matter which end he plays?

If it is then he's never getting a game with us.

Yeah I remember his first game he spent virtually the entire second half on the bench, which i took to be a concern seeing as his entire career seems to be based on his athletic traits. I'm gonna be pretty annoyed if thats the reason though seeing as we've just kept giving him contracts despite never rating him enough to play him.

[jeemak]

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Yeah I remember his first game he spent virtually the entire second half on the bench, which i took to be a concern seeing as his entire career seems to be based on his athletic traits. I'm gonna be pretty annoyed if thats the reason though seeing as we've just kept giving him contracts despite never rating him enough to play him.

Maybe the gap is between his ears, in that he can get close to the base required but won't gas himself to bridge the gap. It could be a maturity thing he's not been able to overcome.

[soupman]

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Maybe the gap is between his ears, in that he can get close to the base required but won't gas himself to bridge the gap. It could be a maturity thing he's not been able to overcome.

Maybe. He looks pretty ripped but i know thats not necessarily indicative.

Regardless i think it's pretty on brand that we've given out multiple extensions to a player who has always been marginal at best and when he finally seems to have figured out how he can contribute we lose interest in even acknowledging his existence.